If any God or Gods with relevance to the human condition and actual power exist, probably the very first thing we can tell about them is that they don’t want to make themselves known or believed in—or they could easily make themselves known.
So, conditional to said existence, the majority of the remaining weight of probability is that they prefer to be disbelieved in. So why contradict them? It sounds dangerous to believe in powerful beings when they don’t want you to believe in them—much like trying to uncover a powerful conspiracy that doesn’t want you to discover it.
We can tell (granting your hypothetical for the sake of discussion) that they don’t want to make themselves known; agreed. We can’t tell that they don’t want to make themselves believed in… after all, many people do believe in them, and presumably if they really didn’t want that, nobody would.
We can’t tell that they don’t want to make themselves believed in…
The prior for a being that wants to be believed in but not definitively known seems very small in comparison to the prior for beings that want to hide as much as possible or the prior of beings that want to be known with certainty.
after all, many people do believe in them
Many people believe in some type of superbeings, but not necessarily anything close enough to what they are to qualify as “them” in their view. The real Sasquatch conspiracy perhaps needn’t concern itself about believers in the fake Illuminati conspiracy.
and presumably if they really didn’t want that, nobody would.
No, that doesn’t follow. I referred to actual power and relevance, but in my conditional I didn’t necessitate the ability or desire to mess individually with people’s minds, or to affect specifically how each of them deals with the evidence presented to them.
But if we use that as an additional criterion (that they can and do want to mess individually with each person’s mind) it would imply that they prefer believers to be believers, nonbelievers to be nonbelievers, and people to convert from one to another as they do actually happen to convert --- which in turn would probably mean that in this scenario there’s no reason to be “religious” either, and we can safely ignore them, as our minds are pretty much their puppets already.
If any God or Gods with relevance to the human condition and actual power exist, probably the very first thing we can tell about them is that they don’t want to make themselves known or believed in—or they could easily make themselves known.
So, conditional to said existence, the majority of the remaining weight of probability is that they prefer to be disbelieved in. So why contradict them? It sounds dangerous to believe in powerful beings when they don’t want you to believe in them—much like trying to uncover a powerful conspiracy that doesn’t want you to discover it.
Never learn anything about them, and die in obscurity as they take advantage of your ignorance? Pass.
We can tell (granting your hypothetical for the sake of discussion) that they don’t want to make themselves known; agreed.
We can’t tell that they don’t want to make themselves believed in… after all, many people do believe in them, and presumably if they really didn’t want that, nobody would.
All religions could believe correctly that a deity exists, but be wrong enough about the properties of the deity to merit no intervention.
The prior for a being that wants to be believed in but not definitively known seems very small in comparison to the prior for beings that want to hide as much as possible or the prior of beings that want to be known with certainty.
Many people believe in some type of superbeings, but not necessarily anything close enough to what they are to qualify as “them” in their view. The real Sasquatch conspiracy perhaps needn’t concern itself about believers in the fake Illuminati conspiracy.
No, that doesn’t follow. I referred to actual power and relevance, but in my conditional I didn’t necessitate the ability or desire to mess individually with people’s minds, or to affect specifically how each of them deals with the evidence presented to them.
But if we use that as an additional criterion (that they can and do want to mess individually with each person’s mind) it would imply that they prefer believers to be believers, nonbelievers to be nonbelievers, and people to convert from one to another as they do actually happen to convert --- which in turn would probably mean that in this scenario there’s no reason to be “religious” either, and we can safely ignore them, as our minds are pretty much their puppets already.