Well. You have to ask yourself why you want to see other human-intelligence races. Why you have this curiosity. What is driving you to want these things? It’s very hard to pinpoint.
The curiosity from seeing other human-intelligence races is because I like imagining “what-if”—in media such as writing and animation series I’m enthralled by worldbuilding. Combined, they create some interesting questions that serve as a mirror for our current society.
Now, what is driving your action now? What is driving you to type what you type, what is driving you to do X?
I’m bored at work. I feel socially compelled to respond to a question. You seemed make an argument that pattern matches for me to pascal’s mugging and I’m not sure you realized, so I commented on that.
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Also, because I thought it sounded like easy points, because that’s the only other reason I can come up with. LessWrong has karma points, people will vote you up if you correctly identify a mistake in something (and the mistake is relevant, not just a typo), I like points because… … probably because of a certain measure of validation (LessWrong has “smart” people, points represent the “smart” people saying you’re right, so more points = more validation).
When explained like that, it’s really dumb. But I guess that’s why I reply to this sort of thing (at first, mind you, not to this comment!) - Because somebody is wrong on the internet (see xkcd) and because internet points.
As to why I reply to this comment; well, if you magically (woo, wishful thinking) do manage to point out a flaw in my thinking with regards to how I approach life, then that’s jackpot.
Regardless if you have a goal or not (hint: they’re worthless)
I dunno about that. Goals are input for planning. Without a plan, I end up doing things I feel regret about later (not in the sense of “dammit I went drinking again” but more like “blehhh I played a stupid browser game which turned out to not even be interesting and I’ll never get that time back, even although I know there’ll be a point in time later this week or maybe even tomorrow where I’ll have a great idea”. Examples are wasting time with stupid browser games only to find a good game or an interesting novel or interesting anime series… on a sunday evening. And work starts again on Monday, so I can only participate a little bit. Bleh.
That’s why I want to have a goal—even if I don’t always end up doing what I planned, setting goals prevents me from getting stuck in boredom. For instance, I’ll plan to check the new season line up in the weekend to see if there’s anything interesting. The result is that I can relax and have fun in the mornings for 10-13 weeks after that since I have a few series to watch before going to work.
On a greater scale… my current plan is “after I become financially independent, I can fully strive towards whatever goal I have set… and/or spend my time reading/playing/watching things.” … and there’s no goal there. I’m currently hoping I’ll get bored without work and roll into some open source projects where I work on interesting problems (or problems which are not interesting but useful to solve and I feel motivated to solve them).
The curiosity from seeing other human-intelligence races is because I like imagining “what-if”—in media such as writing and animation series I’m enthralled by worldbuilding. Combined, they create some interesting questions that serve as a mirror for our current society.
At some point, you can recognize how you were conditioned to believe those things. You might even think that this curiosity or belief is superior to others. In contrary to some random person in some town in Texas for example. It also becomes socially validated as it’s probably popular in the intersubjective reality of Lesswrong and other communities like Reddit.
I’m bored at work. I feel socially compelled to respond to a question. You seemed make an argument that pattern matches for me to pascal’s mugging and I’m not sure you realized, so I commented on that
I saw that, so it’s a flawed argument because of pascal mugging. I haven’t even googled yet what that means and to read some article here on lesswrong. But it’s cool to know about.
Also, because I thought it sounded like easy points, because that’s the only other reason I can come up with. LessWrong has karma points, people will vote you up if you correctly identify a mistake in something (and the mistake is relevant, not just a typo), I like points because… … probably because of a certain measure of validation (LessWrong has “smart” people, points represent the “smart” people saying you’re right, so more points = more validation).
Well. You have to figure out why you have this need for validation, as it was something which was conditioned to you through your experiences in life. For example, if you were rejected by a girl in school you closed in and stopped trusting yourself and the world. Validation usually stem from low self-esteem, feeling a need to prove yourself to our world that you matter. But in all actuality, these are fictions which drive our actions. We know this but we don’t know how to change it, until now.
Just so you know, you are not your emotional core. It can change. That’s what these 4 steps do and you radically go through a metamorphosis. So as you feel uncomfortable with being honest towards yourself and stopping the suppression of your emotions. You might realize you are aware of these things, you are that which experiences. But the sum of all is simply the practical I, or me or ‘you’ which we use to communicate to each other. But as dissonance increase. you have an easier time telling your inner child to let go of validation, comfort and so forth because of the negative emotions which you load into the memory. In the present moment. You can’t scream at your inner child to let go of the teddy bear which has comfort/validation. It will simply just hold it stronger. That’s why rationality doesn’t work as well.
You have to communicate emotionally, through the whole process and the inner child, which you will realize that it’s still who you are… It will let go of the teddy bear. Then you will automatically grab logic as that’s what given us, you, all of us… Everything.
When explained like that, it’s really dumb. But I guess that’s why I reply to this sort of thing (at first, mind you, not to this comment!) - Because somebody is wrong on the internet (see xkcd) and because internet points.
As to why I reply to this comment; well, if you magically (woo, wishful thinking) do manage to point out a flaw in my thinking with regards to how I approach life, then that’s jackpot.
Well, first of all, it doesn’t feel good to have these emotional attachments, they might bring you safety now but it won’t always be this way, logic is always going to be there for you. It’s going to allow you to finally think for yourself without the baggage which has been programmed to you. The bugs in the system which never came with an instruction manual. Until now. No one’s going to tell you these things because it’s radically new.
Why you write what you write, you have to ask yourself why on an emotional level. I am driven for typing this out of validation, what about when I go to work, do I not get my validation satisfied, but I am still driven to work so I can work towards validation in general. It doesn’t make sense that our real work is done at home. It is what drives us. One core value to rule them all. (again for the nitpickers, yes they’re created in the present moment by our current brain state, but it’s a means to an end, a way to quantify our current brain state)
I dunno about that. Goals are input for planning. Without a plan, I end up doing things I feel regret about later (not in the sense of “dammit I went drinking again” but more like “blehhh I played a stupid browser game which turned out to not even be interesting and I’ll never get that time back, even although I know there’ll be a point in time later this week or maybe even tomorrow where I’ll have a great idea”. Examples are wasting time with stupid browser games only to find a good game or an interesting novel or interesting anime series… on a sunday evening. And work starts again on Monday, so I can only participate a little bit. Bleh.
That’s why I want to have a goal—even if I don’t always end up doing what I planned, setting goals prevents me from getting stuck in boredom. For instance, I’ll plan to check the new season line up in the weekend to see if there’s anything interesting. The result is that I can relax and have fun in the mornings for 10-13 weeks after that since I have a few series to watch before going to work.
On a greater scale… my current plan is “after I become financially independent, I can fully strive towards whatever goal I have set… and/or spend my time reading/playing/watching things.” … and there’s no goal there. I’m currently hoping I’ll get bored without work and roll into some open source projects where I work on interesting problems (or problems which are not interesting but useful to solve and I feel motivated to solve them).
Well. The reason why you need to have these things is because you need to discipline your actions. After the click, you apparently won’t have to anymore. It’s important to recognize that this present moment is that all that exists, it’s always going to be the present moment. Time is an illusion from the subjective perspective. Each snapshot you have of this is now, you can see what is driving you. It’s always going to be the quantification of your brain state. Which probably is comfort or validation, that’s why logic gives you choiceless awareness. There won’t be any duality between rationality and whatever emotional value you have now. It’s just going to be rationality and it’s going to feel great. Every moment of the day, the most logical action. Each ‘snapshot’. No need to discipline your actions. As good as playing games or watching anime you feel doing, you will for rationality. It’s hard to explain the paradigm shift!
There won’t be any duality between rationality and whatever emotional value you have now. It’s just going to be rationality and it’s going to feel great. Every moment of the day, the most logical action. Each ‘snapshot’. No need to discipline your actions.
This sounds like taking drugs and turning into a logically optimal robot.
… That sounds like a worse life than what I have now.
I think we should stop this thread. I’m not connecting with this idea of yours and I can’t think of anything you could say to convince me otherwise (hmmh TODO rethink that)… so when you try to convince me you’re just tripping flags instead.
For instance.
The curiosity from seeing other human-intelligence races is because I like imagining “what-if”—in media such as writing and animation series I’m enthralled by worldbuilding. Combined, they create some interesting questions that serve as a mirror for our current society.
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At some point, you can recognize how you were conditioned to believe those things. You might even think that this curiosity or belief is superior to others. In contrary to some random person in some town in Texas for example. It also becomes socially validated as it’s probably popular in the intersubjective reality of Lesswrong and other communities like Reddit.
And you have a better set of beliefs? I actually enjoy such worldbuilding exercises. I enjoy seeing other worlds like that. There have been series that seemed boring at first, but then started to contain more worldbuilding and organizing—and I enjoy those from the comfort of my room. I don’t have a list somewhere that I show off to get validation. I don’t tell others that I’m reading such and such book—mostly because I think it wouldn’t interest them. I read them for my own enjoyment. I did this before coming to reddit and before coming to LessWrong. I think you’re wrong about this point.
Well. You have to figure out why you have this need for validation, as it was something which was conditioned to you through your experiences in life.
It’s on Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. Everyone needs some amount of validation. And I don’t need a whole lot of validation.
I’ve been diagnosed with Aspergers and ADHD—I don’t want to use them as a shield in these discussions, because that doesn’t help anyone—but perhaps it allows me to explain that I don’t seem to have a need for validation all that much. I don’t care as much what other people think of my clothing. I do refuse to wear things with stupid texts on them, but that’s because I’m not a billboard. I don’t care about the things society seems to be interested in like celebrities or fashion or cars or whatever kind of crap—it tends to not be socially acceptable to just sit in your room and play games all day, but I do it anyway because that’s what I think is fun. Going outside is boring and cold.
What I’m having issues with is not a lack of validation by others, but a lack of validation by myself. I see myself playing a ton of games and reading a lot and watching a lot and then I think to myself “is that what I’d want to do the rest of my life” and I think “no, because I want to contribute something myself too”.
And this manifests itself as doing things like making a mod for a game, or helping to fix a bug in an open source game, or creating a tool for others to support their gameplay or creation of their mods… I like doing that. And yes, you get some kind of validation from that.
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I write this because I’m angry and disappointed (although those feelings aren’t all that appropriate for the situation). I don’t think it’s worth it to live a life where you take the most logical action all the time (and that’s probably because I’m using a different word for logic than you are). Maybe that inner child you’re talking about is having a temper tantrum. Even if that’s true, it seems to be pretty pissed off at the moment and doesn’t want to do all the things you said.
I don’t think living a life of just consumerism is all that great either. So I’m gonna keep looking for another path that doesn’t disturb my inner child, but doesn’t seem all that boring either. I have multiple aspects, and I gotta work with all of them. Forcing them to act differently takes a lot of energy, is not a pleasant experience, and can end up with unwanted results.
The curiosity from seeing other human-intelligence races is because I like imagining “what-if”—in media such as writing and animation series I’m enthralled by worldbuilding. Combined, they create some interesting questions that serve as a mirror for our current society.
I’m bored at work. I feel socially compelled to respond to a question. You seemed make an argument that pattern matches for me to pascal’s mugging and I’m not sure you realized, so I commented on that.
...
Also, because I thought it sounded like easy points, because that’s the only other reason I can come up with. LessWrong has karma points, people will vote you up if you correctly identify a mistake in something (and the mistake is relevant, not just a typo), I like points because… … probably because of a certain measure of validation (LessWrong has “smart” people, points represent the “smart” people saying you’re right, so more points = more validation).
When explained like that, it’s really dumb. But I guess that’s why I reply to this sort of thing (at first, mind you, not to this comment!) - Because somebody is wrong on the internet (see xkcd) and because internet points.
As to why I reply to this comment; well, if you magically (woo, wishful thinking) do manage to point out a flaw in my thinking with regards to how I approach life, then that’s jackpot.
I dunno about that. Goals are input for planning. Without a plan, I end up doing things I feel regret about later (not in the sense of “dammit I went drinking again” but more like “blehhh I played a stupid browser game which turned out to not even be interesting and I’ll never get that time back, even although I know there’ll be a point in time later this week or maybe even tomorrow where I’ll have a great idea”. Examples are wasting time with stupid browser games only to find a good game or an interesting novel or interesting anime series… on a sunday evening. And work starts again on Monday, so I can only participate a little bit. Bleh.
That’s why I want to have a goal—even if I don’t always end up doing what I planned, setting goals prevents me from getting stuck in boredom. For instance, I’ll plan to check the new season line up in the weekend to see if there’s anything interesting. The result is that I can relax and have fun in the mornings for 10-13 weeks after that since I have a few series to watch before going to work.
On a greater scale… my current plan is “after I become financially independent, I can fully strive towards whatever goal I have set… and/or spend my time reading/playing/watching things.” … and there’s no goal there. I’m currently hoping I’ll get bored without work and roll into some open source projects where I work on interesting problems (or problems which are not interesting but useful to solve and I feel motivated to solve them).
Play this while reading for intense immersion: https://minddivided.bandcamp.com/album/tempest
At some point, you can recognize how you were conditioned to believe those things. You might even think that this curiosity or belief is superior to others. In contrary to some random person in some town in Texas for example. It also becomes socially validated as it’s probably popular in the intersubjective reality of Lesswrong and other communities like Reddit.
I saw that, so it’s a flawed argument because of pascal mugging. I haven’t even googled yet what that means and to read some article here on lesswrong. But it’s cool to know about.
Well. You have to figure out why you have this need for validation, as it was something which was conditioned to you through your experiences in life. For example, if you were rejected by a girl in school you closed in and stopped trusting yourself and the world. Validation usually stem from low self-esteem, feeling a need to prove yourself to our world that you matter. But in all actuality, these are fictions which drive our actions. We know this but we don’t know how to change it, until now.
Just so you know, you are not your emotional core. It can change. That’s what these 4 steps do and you radically go through a metamorphosis. So as you feel uncomfortable with being honest towards yourself and stopping the suppression of your emotions. You might realize you are aware of these things, you are that which experiences. But the sum of all is simply the practical I, or me or ‘you’ which we use to communicate to each other. But as dissonance increase. you have an easier time telling your inner child to let go of validation, comfort and so forth because of the negative emotions which you load into the memory. In the present moment. You can’t scream at your inner child to let go of the teddy bear which has comfort/validation. It will simply just hold it stronger. That’s why rationality doesn’t work as well.
You have to communicate emotionally, through the whole process and the inner child, which you will realize that it’s still who you are… It will let go of the teddy bear. Then you will automatically grab logic as that’s what given us, you, all of us… Everything.
Well, first of all, it doesn’t feel good to have these emotional attachments, they might bring you safety now but it won’t always be this way, logic is always going to be there for you. It’s going to allow you to finally think for yourself without the baggage which has been programmed to you. The bugs in the system which never came with an instruction manual. Until now. No one’s going to tell you these things because it’s radically new.
Why you write what you write, you have to ask yourself why on an emotional level. I am driven for typing this out of validation, what about when I go to work, do I not get my validation satisfied, but I am still driven to work so I can work towards validation in general. It doesn’t make sense that our real work is done at home. It is what drives us. One core value to rule them all. (again for the nitpickers, yes they’re created in the present moment by our current brain state, but it’s a means to an end, a way to quantify our current brain state)
Well. The reason why you need to have these things is because you need to discipline your actions. After the click, you apparently won’t have to anymore. It’s important to recognize that this present moment is that all that exists, it’s always going to be the present moment. Time is an illusion from the subjective perspective. Each snapshot you have of this is now, you can see what is driving you. It’s always going to be the quantification of your brain state. Which probably is comfort or validation, that’s why logic gives you choiceless awareness. There won’t be any duality between rationality and whatever emotional value you have now. It’s just going to be rationality and it’s going to feel great. Every moment of the day, the most logical action. Each ‘snapshot’. No need to discipline your actions. As good as playing games or watching anime you feel doing, you will for rationality. It’s hard to explain the paradigm shift!
This sounds like taking drugs and turning into a logically optimal robot.
… That sounds like a worse life than what I have now.
I think we should stop this thread. I’m not connecting with this idea of yours and I can’t think of anything you could say to convince me otherwise (hmmh TODO rethink that)… so when you try to convince me you’re just tripping flags instead.
For instance.
...
And you have a better set of beliefs? I actually enjoy such worldbuilding exercises. I enjoy seeing other worlds like that. There have been series that seemed boring at first, but then started to contain more worldbuilding and organizing—and I enjoy those from the comfort of my room. I don’t have a list somewhere that I show off to get validation. I don’t tell others that I’m reading such and such book—mostly because I think it wouldn’t interest them. I read them for my own enjoyment. I did this before coming to reddit and before coming to LessWrong. I think you’re wrong about this point.
It’s on Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. Everyone needs some amount of validation. And I don’t need a whole lot of validation.
I’ve been diagnosed with Aspergers and ADHD—I don’t want to use them as a shield in these discussions, because that doesn’t help anyone—but perhaps it allows me to explain that I don’t seem to have a need for validation all that much. I don’t care as much what other people think of my clothing. I do refuse to wear things with stupid texts on them, but that’s because I’m not a billboard. I don’t care about the things society seems to be interested in like celebrities or fashion or cars or whatever kind of crap—it tends to not be socially acceptable to just sit in your room and play games all day, but I do it anyway because that’s what I think is fun. Going outside is boring and cold.
What I’m having issues with is not a lack of validation by others, but a lack of validation by myself. I see myself playing a ton of games and reading a lot and watching a lot and then I think to myself “is that what I’d want to do the rest of my life” and I think “no, because I want to contribute something myself too”.
And this manifests itself as doing things like making a mod for a game, or helping to fix a bug in an open source game, or creating a tool for others to support their gameplay or creation of their mods… I like doing that. And yes, you get some kind of validation from that.
…
I write this because I’m angry and disappointed (although those feelings aren’t all that appropriate for the situation). I don’t think it’s worth it to live a life where you take the most logical action all the time (and that’s probably because I’m using a different word for logic than you are). Maybe that inner child you’re talking about is having a temper tantrum. Even if that’s true, it seems to be pretty pissed off at the moment and doesn’t want to do all the things you said.
I don’t think living a life of just consumerism is all that great either. So I’m gonna keep looking for another path that doesn’t disturb my inner child, but doesn’t seem all that boring either. I have multiple aspects, and I gotta work with all of them. Forcing them to act differently takes a lot of energy, is not a pleasant experience, and can end up with unwanted results.