There won’t be any duality between rationality and whatever emotional value you have now. It’s just going to be rationality and it’s going to feel great. Every moment of the day, the most logical action. Each ‘snapshot’. No need to discipline your actions.
This sounds like taking drugs and turning into a logically optimal robot.
… That sounds like a worse life than what I have now.
I think we should stop this thread. I’m not connecting with this idea of yours and I can’t think of anything you could say to convince me otherwise (hmmh TODO rethink that)… so when you try to convince me you’re just tripping flags instead.
For instance.
The curiosity from seeing other human-intelligence races is because I like imagining “what-if”—in media such as writing and animation series I’m enthralled by worldbuilding. Combined, they create some interesting questions that serve as a mirror for our current society.
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At some point, you can recognize how you were conditioned to believe those things. You might even think that this curiosity or belief is superior to others. In contrary to some random person in some town in Texas for example. It also becomes socially validated as it’s probably popular in the intersubjective reality of Lesswrong and other communities like Reddit.
And you have a better set of beliefs? I actually enjoy such worldbuilding exercises. I enjoy seeing other worlds like that. There have been series that seemed boring at first, but then started to contain more worldbuilding and organizing—and I enjoy those from the comfort of my room. I don’t have a list somewhere that I show off to get validation. I don’t tell others that I’m reading such and such book—mostly because I think it wouldn’t interest them. I read them for my own enjoyment. I did this before coming to reddit and before coming to LessWrong. I think you’re wrong about this point.
Well. You have to figure out why you have this need for validation, as it was something which was conditioned to you through your experiences in life.
It’s on Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. Everyone needs some amount of validation. And I don’t need a whole lot of validation.
I’ve been diagnosed with Aspergers and ADHD—I don’t want to use them as a shield in these discussions, because that doesn’t help anyone—but perhaps it allows me to explain that I don’t seem to have a need for validation all that much. I don’t care as much what other people think of my clothing. I do refuse to wear things with stupid texts on them, but that’s because I’m not a billboard. I don’t care about the things society seems to be interested in like celebrities or fashion or cars or whatever kind of crap—it tends to not be socially acceptable to just sit in your room and play games all day, but I do it anyway because that’s what I think is fun. Going outside is boring and cold.
What I’m having issues with is not a lack of validation by others, but a lack of validation by myself. I see myself playing a ton of games and reading a lot and watching a lot and then I think to myself “is that what I’d want to do the rest of my life” and I think “no, because I want to contribute something myself too”.
And this manifests itself as doing things like making a mod for a game, or helping to fix a bug in an open source game, or creating a tool for others to support their gameplay or creation of their mods… I like doing that. And yes, you get some kind of validation from that.
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I write this because I’m angry and disappointed (although those feelings aren’t all that appropriate for the situation). I don’t think it’s worth it to live a life where you take the most logical action all the time (and that’s probably because I’m using a different word for logic than you are). Maybe that inner child you’re talking about is having a temper tantrum. Even if that’s true, it seems to be pretty pissed off at the moment and doesn’t want to do all the things you said.
I don’t think living a life of just consumerism is all that great either. So I’m gonna keep looking for another path that doesn’t disturb my inner child, but doesn’t seem all that boring either. I have multiple aspects, and I gotta work with all of them. Forcing them to act differently takes a lot of energy, is not a pleasant experience, and can end up with unwanted results.
This sounds like taking drugs and turning into a logically optimal robot.
… That sounds like a worse life than what I have now.
I think we should stop this thread. I’m not connecting with this idea of yours and I can’t think of anything you could say to convince me otherwise (hmmh TODO rethink that)… so when you try to convince me you’re just tripping flags instead.
For instance.
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And you have a better set of beliefs? I actually enjoy such worldbuilding exercises. I enjoy seeing other worlds like that. There have been series that seemed boring at first, but then started to contain more worldbuilding and organizing—and I enjoy those from the comfort of my room. I don’t have a list somewhere that I show off to get validation. I don’t tell others that I’m reading such and such book—mostly because I think it wouldn’t interest them. I read them for my own enjoyment. I did this before coming to reddit and before coming to LessWrong. I think you’re wrong about this point.
It’s on Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. Everyone needs some amount of validation. And I don’t need a whole lot of validation.
I’ve been diagnosed with Aspergers and ADHD—I don’t want to use them as a shield in these discussions, because that doesn’t help anyone—but perhaps it allows me to explain that I don’t seem to have a need for validation all that much. I don’t care as much what other people think of my clothing. I do refuse to wear things with stupid texts on them, but that’s because I’m not a billboard. I don’t care about the things society seems to be interested in like celebrities or fashion or cars or whatever kind of crap—it tends to not be socially acceptable to just sit in your room and play games all day, but I do it anyway because that’s what I think is fun. Going outside is boring and cold.
What I’m having issues with is not a lack of validation by others, but a lack of validation by myself. I see myself playing a ton of games and reading a lot and watching a lot and then I think to myself “is that what I’d want to do the rest of my life” and I think “no, because I want to contribute something myself too”.
And this manifests itself as doing things like making a mod for a game, or helping to fix a bug in an open source game, or creating a tool for others to support their gameplay or creation of their mods… I like doing that. And yes, you get some kind of validation from that.
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I write this because I’m angry and disappointed (although those feelings aren’t all that appropriate for the situation). I don’t think it’s worth it to live a life where you take the most logical action all the time (and that’s probably because I’m using a different word for logic than you are). Maybe that inner child you’re talking about is having a temper tantrum. Even if that’s true, it seems to be pretty pissed off at the moment and doesn’t want to do all the things you said.
I don’t think living a life of just consumerism is all that great either. So I’m gonna keep looking for another path that doesn’t disturb my inner child, but doesn’t seem all that boring either. I have multiple aspects, and I gotta work with all of them. Forcing them to act differently takes a lot of energy, is not a pleasant experience, and can end up with unwanted results.