“Why not just destroy him instead? Quirrell at least would think of that at once.”
THAT...is a very, very good question. And btw, Quirrel has many other names: Voldemort, Monroe, possibly “black hat”...
Why DIDN”T he just teach harry how to use cursed-fire, and tell him to go far away from Hogwarts (easily enough arranged) to avoid killing any bystanders? (To, yknow, avoid the appearance of being evil...) Seems to me that would be a fast way to preserve the status quo of the universe…
I notice that I am rather confused. I am going to meditate before I post the theory that’s offering itself as a resolution.
ok. so: assuming Harry’s memory of the night his parents died is correct, what if the crucial difference is that, instead of shrugging Lilly off, Voldemort accepted her bargain...making it a two-person ritual rather than just a one-person ritual...which meant that not only was Harry protected against Voldemort, now the latter had to actively guard Harry’s life.
Second part: And as he looked into harry’s eyes...he had his equivalent of an “oh crap”, and then made harry a horcrux because he figured he may as well. Which THEN sparked a nasty resonance that blasted his body to bits and didn’t take like a normal horcrux (is anyone other than Eliezer ~90% sure how they’re supposed to work in MoR?) because he’d already used lilly’s life in a ritual.
ok. so: assuming Harry’s memory of the night his parents died is correct, what if the crucial difference is that, instead of shrugging Lilly off, Voldemort accepted her bargain...making it a two-person ritual rather than just a one-person ritual...which meant that not only was Harry protected against Voldemort, now the latter had to actively guard Harry’s life.
If a mere exchange of promises were sufficient to constitute a magically binding ritual, there would be no need for Unbreakable Oaths.
They aren’t. but someone else once showed that all the elements were present, except for the usual incantations to set it up. In this view, it’s more like an accidentally created ritual.
Aren’t horcruxs supposed to be incredibly costly to create? Like, they use a piece of your soul (or diminish you in a way that has been described as losing a piece of your soul). I don’t think Voldemort would shrug and go, “well, I may as well perform an incredibly costly ritual and make this baby into horcrux” on a whim.
|Aren’t horcruxs supposed to be incredibly costly to create?
I’m afraid you’ll need to find MoR evidence for that, not Cannon evidence. Eliezer rearranged a lot of the details on how Dark Magic works-basically, some rituals, but not all, twist your mind as an explicity price, and it’s often dangerous, but rarely is it truly Evil in and of itself.) He has been very carefull not to make it obvious what the new price or prices for horcrux creation are-except that it still requires a murder. If he’s dropped hints that give more than a +/-5% boost to any particular hypothesis, I haven’t noticed them as such.
Eleizer has: changed the fundamental mechanism for the patronus, made dementors killable with patronus 2.0, edited the magic interactions between Harry and Voldemort to be dangerous to Harry as well as Voldemort, changed how the elder wand works (It’s...maybe a +5 wand under normal use, and is only an “infinity+/-1” wand when fed blood sacrifices), and made Harry’s invisibility cloak work against dementors-Cannon!Dumbledore (or...someone) warns Harry explicitly that invisibility cloaks do not work against dementors.
I’d have to check the bit about Harry’s invisibility cloak not working against dementors—I don’t recall that from canon but if so that is indeed a change. Do you have a specific cite in canon where the invisibility cloak does not work against dementors?
Patronus 2.0 is simply a new spell, not a change to an old one. I don’t recall the fundamental mechanism for the Patronus 1.0 charm has changed, but if you have cites from canon and HPMoR to back up this claim, it could prove your point.
The magical interactions between Harry and Voldemort are different, I suspect, because HPMoR Voldemort did something different to Harry than canon Voldemort.
The elder wand is an extension of canon, not a change. I don’t think there’s anything in canon that contradicts what HPMoR says about it. I read the blood sacrifices as being an additional source of Grindelwald’s power, not something required to power the elder wand. I.e. he had the elder wand and the blood sacrifices. And if I’m wrong about that, I’m still not sure it would contradict canon.
After Apparating to Hogsmeade, Harry, Ron, and Hermione set off a Caterwauling Charm and hid under Harry’s Invisibility Cloak. Unable to find them, the Death Eaters dispatched Dementors to attack the trio, and Harry was forced to cast his Patronus to protect them from being Kissed.
My original point about patronuses turned out to be more hair-splitting than anything else...but it also turns out that Rowling’s take on the partronus totally diverges in lesser-cannon.
“Wonderbook: Book of Spells is the closest a Muggle can come to a real spellbook. I’ve loved working with Sony’s creative team to bring my spells, and some of the history behind them, to life. This is an extrodinary device that offers a reading experience like no other.”
—J.K. Rowling on Wonderbook: Book of Spells
-giving us a source of Rowling-approved info...
In that book, a guy called Raczidian tries to cast a Patronus. He produces, instead, a swarm of maggots....Which turn and eat him up.
MoR “dark-wizards” simply find that the spell fizzles.
“Why not just destroy him instead? Quirrell at least would think of that at once.” THAT...is a very, very good question. And btw, Quirrel has many other names: Voldemort, Monroe, possibly “black hat”...
Why DIDN”T he just teach harry how to use cursed-fire, and tell him to go far away from Hogwarts (easily enough arranged) to avoid killing any bystanders? (To, yknow, avoid the appearance of being evil...) Seems to me that would be a fast way to preserve the status quo of the universe… I notice that I am rather confused. I am going to meditate before I post the theory that’s offering itself as a resolution.
ok. so: assuming Harry’s memory of the night his parents died is correct, what if the crucial difference is that, instead of shrugging Lilly off, Voldemort accepted her bargain...making it a two-person ritual rather than just a one-person ritual...which meant that not only was Harry protected against Voldemort, now the latter had to actively guard Harry’s life.
Second part: And as he looked into harry’s eyes...he had his equivalent of an “oh crap”, and then made harry a horcrux because he figured he may as well. Which THEN sparked a nasty resonance that blasted his body to bits and didn’t take like a normal horcrux (is anyone other than Eliezer ~90% sure how they’re supposed to work in MoR?) because he’d already used lilly’s life in a ritual.
If a mere exchange of promises were sufficient to constitute a magically binding ritual, there would be no need for Unbreakable Oaths.
They aren’t. but someone else once showed that all the elements were present, except for the usual incantations to set it up. In this view, it’s more like an accidentally created ritual.
Aren’t horcruxs supposed to be incredibly costly to create? Like, they use a piece of your soul (or diminish you in a way that has been described as losing a piece of your soul). I don’t think Voldemort would shrug and go, “well, I may as well perform an incredibly costly ritual and make this baby into horcrux” on a whim.
|Aren’t horcruxs supposed to be incredibly costly to create?
I’m afraid you’ll need to find MoR evidence for that, not Cannon evidence. Eliezer rearranged a lot of the details on how Dark Magic works-basically, some rituals, but not all, twist your mind as an explicity price, and it’s often dangerous, but rarely is it truly Evil in and of itself.) He has been very carefull not to make it obvious what the new price or prices for horcrux creation are-except that it still requires a murder. If he’s dropped hints that give more than a +/-5% boost to any particular hypothesis, I haven’t noticed them as such.
Eliezer has added details of how magic works, but I don’t think he’s intentionally changed anything from canon.
He has.
Eleizer has: changed the fundamental mechanism for the patronus, made dementors killable with patronus 2.0, edited the magic interactions between Harry and Voldemort to be dangerous to Harry as well as Voldemort, changed how the elder wand works (It’s...maybe a +5 wand under normal use, and is only an “infinity+/-1” wand when fed blood sacrifices), and made Harry’s invisibility cloak work against dementors-Cannon!Dumbledore (or...someone) warns Harry explicitly that invisibility cloaks do not work against dementors.
I’d have to check the bit about Harry’s invisibility cloak not working against dementors—I don’t recall that from canon but if so that is indeed a change. Do you have a specific cite in canon where the invisibility cloak does not work against dementors?
Patronus 2.0 is simply a new spell, not a change to an old one. I don’t recall the fundamental mechanism for the Patronus 1.0 charm has changed, but if you have cites from canon and HPMoR to back up this claim, it could prove your point.
The magical interactions between Harry and Voldemort are different, I suspect, because HPMoR Voldemort did something different to Harry than canon Voldemort.
The elder wand is an extension of canon, not a change. I don’t think there’s anything in canon that contradicts what HPMoR says about it. I read the blood sacrifices as being an additional source of Grindelwald’s power, not something required to power the elder wand. I.e. he had the elder wand and the blood sacrifices. And if I’m wrong about that, I’m still not sure it would contradict canon.
on the first one, according to http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Dementor
My original point about patronuses turned out to be more hair-splitting than anything else...but it also turns out that Rowling’s take on the partronus totally diverges in lesser-cannon.
In that book, a guy called Raczidian tries to cast a Patronus. He produces, instead, a swarm of maggots....Which turn and eat him up.
MoR “dark-wizards” simply find that the spell fizzles.