Would it be really stupid to use Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres as the fictional character that had an impact on me for my CommonApp essay? On one hand it seems right since he introduced me to lesswrong which has certainly had a big effect but on the other hand… it’s… you know… fanfiction.
You can do it. It’s good countersignaling. But you have to be absurdly careful about writing quality. It’s your job to convey to a skeptical audience that fanfiction can be transformative. You have to be absolutely brutal in avoiding language that signals immaturity—or, better, find an editor who can be absolutely brutal to you.
My M.O., back in my college-essay days, was to read a New Yorker before sitting down to write. Inhale the style. Better yet, find some essays by Gene Weingarten, the modern master of long-form narrative journalism. Imagine what Gene Weingarten could do with HP:MOR. Then try to do it.
In general, honesty is the best policy. If you really were influenced to great things by HJPEV, explain it well and it should go over well. If the admissions folks are going to say “This well-written and inspiring essay is about fanfiction” and thus throw it in the garbage, it could just as well have been thrown away for the room’s lighting or what they had for breakfast.
If you really were influenced to great things by HJPEV, explain it well and it should go over well.
This is important. Deliberately choosing to write about fanfiction is a high-risk move, and so is high-status if you pull it off well! But you might just face-plant. (You don’t try out unpracticed tricks in front of a girl you want to impress.)
a high-status fictional character like Hamlet treated mediocrely is a mainstream submission
a low-status fictional character like Bella Swan treated mediocrely is a contrarian submission, and penalized accordingly—the intellectual equivalent of misspelling “it’s/its”
a high-status fictional character like Ahab treated well is a conspicuous mainstream signal
a low-status fictional character like MoR!Harry treated well is a meta-contrarian submission, and thus is a conspicuous contrarian signal
Also, recognising a low-status character as a low-status character is an important part of 4. Trying to pretend it’s high status (“the author is an AI researcher, it is the most reviewed fanfiction ever, it’s better than Rowling’s Harry Potter”, etc) will usually backfire.
Honestly, I’d start by baldly and confidently acknowledging that characters from fanfiction about popular books are low-status, and that you are going to do your piece on him anyway.
As someone currently going through this process (I just wrote the same essay about Terry Pratchett’s character Tiffany Aching), the impression I get is that it’s very important to be unique: if your essay is the same as 200 others, it will be penalized as much as if it is poorly written. Using a rationalist fanfiction character, if you can write it well and have the guts to write it sincerely (but not too sincerely, or you’ll signal naivete), is a good idea. If you don’t want to deal with a fanfiction character, write about some other rationalist. Either way, don’t mention lesswrong. And please don’t write about Howard Roark. I enjoyed The Fountainhead, but it’s worse signaling than fanfiction. You’ll look like a shallow thinker who falls for propaganda, and most universities lean to the liberal end of the spectrum.
Important note: I’m applying to highly selective colleges with student bodies that think of themselves as contrarian or meta-contrarian. If you aren’t, this advice may not apply.
If the essay asked about “the fictional character that had the greatest impact on you” or something to that effect and that person is HJPEV, then that’s what you should write about. Otherwise, you’d be lying, and apart from the general wrongness of lying, you’re going to write better about something that’s true.
I only play a deep thinker online, I don’t think I could write such a thing in a way that isn’t merely extensive plagiarism of, say, Steve Sailer.
(That said, reading over my comment, I missed an opportunity: I should have pointed out that the reason why 4>3 is because it is an expensive signal in the sense that attempting to do #4 but only achieving a #2 exposes one to considerable punishment whereas one doesn’t run such a risk with#1 and #3, and expensive signals are, of course, the most credible signals.)
The other way to look at the situation is that the admissions folks are looking for a very specific essay. That essay requires you to identify yourself with a character from some postmodern South American novel (or possibly Elie Wiesel in “Night”) and certainly has no place in it for fan fiction.
I think if you were to choose a character from a conventionally literary work, it should be something generally well-regarded in English departments, but which is very rarely assigned reading in high school. Maybe Middlemarch?
Hmm… I’m not sure. I’d take the word of someone with experience on an admissions committee, if you can get it.
If you do it, I think you’d be better off talking just a little about the character and much more about the community you found. Writing to the prompt is not really important for this sort of thing. (Usually one of the prompts is pretty much “Other,” confirming that.)
I can’t think of any other fictional characters with a significant impact so if I don’t use him I would write about one of the other prompts. Only I can’t think of anything for the other choices and when I saw the fictional character option he immediately jumped to mind.
I bet admissions committees hate when you say you were influenced by Ayn Rand. You want something either very prestigious, or very unexpected, and Atlas Shrugged is neither. You might well be better off with fanfiction, if you can sell it with a really good essay and leave yourself a little bit of ironic detachment wiggle room.
Oh, yeah. Him. I would be cringing as I wrote that. I’d be imagining myself rolling my eyes as I read piles of cookie cutter password guessing applications. Ick. But I’d force myself to write him anyway.
I wonder how much status you can get by dropping the name everyone drops. I suppose you at least wouldn’t lose points.
Would it be really stupid to use Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres as the fictional character that had an impact on me for my CommonApp essay? On one hand it seems right since he introduced me to lesswrong which has certainly had a big effect but on the other hand… it’s… you know… fanfiction.
You can do it. It’s good countersignaling. But you have to be absurdly careful about writing quality. It’s your job to convey to a skeptical audience that fanfiction can be transformative. You have to be absolutely brutal in avoiding language that signals immaturity—or, better, find an editor who can be absolutely brutal to you.
My M.O., back in my college-essay days, was to read a New Yorker before sitting down to write. Inhale the style. Better yet, find some essays by Gene Weingarten, the modern master of long-form narrative journalism. Imagine what Gene Weingarten could do with HP:MOR. Then try to do it.
Well, he already did! ---> Here you can help him with his actual text.
In general, honesty is the best policy. If you really were influenced to great things by HJPEV, explain it well and it should go over well. If the admissions folks are going to say “This well-written and inspiring essay is about fanfiction” and thus throw it in the garbage, it could just as well have been thrown away for the room’s lighting or what they had for breakfast.
This is important. Deliberately choosing to write about fanfiction is a high-risk move, and so is high-status if you pull it off well! But you might just face-plant. (You don’t try out unpracticed tricks in front of a girl you want to impress.)
Or to put it another way:
a high-status fictional character like Hamlet treated mediocrely is a mainstream submission
a low-status fictional character like Bella Swan treated mediocrely is a contrarian submission, and penalized accordingly—the intellectual equivalent of misspelling “it’s/its”
a high-status fictional character like Ahab treated well is a conspicuous mainstream signal
a low-status fictional character like MoR!Harry treated well is a meta-contrarian submission, and thus is a conspicuous contrarian signal
All else equal, 3<4.
Also, recognising a low-status character as a low-status character is an important part of 4. Trying to pretend it’s high status (“the author is an AI researcher, it is the most reviewed fanfiction ever, it’s better than Rowling’s Harry Potter”, etc) will usually backfire.
Honestly, I’d start by baldly and confidently acknowledging that characters from fanfiction about popular books are low-status, and that you are going to do your piece on him anyway.
As someone currently going through this process (I just wrote the same essay about Terry Pratchett’s character Tiffany Aching), the impression I get is that it’s very important to be unique: if your essay is the same as 200 others, it will be penalized as much as if it is poorly written. Using a rationalist fanfiction character, if you can write it well and have the guts to write it sincerely (but not too sincerely, or you’ll signal naivete), is a good idea. If you don’t want to deal with a fanfiction character, write about some other rationalist. Either way, don’t mention lesswrong. And please don’t write about Howard Roark. I enjoyed The Fountainhead, but it’s worse signaling than fanfiction. You’ll look like a shallow thinker who falls for propaganda, and most universities lean to the liberal end of the spectrum.
Important note: I’m applying to highly selective colleges with student bodies that think of themselves as contrarian or meta-contrarian. If you aren’t, this advice may not apply.
I stand by my statement.
If the essay asked about “the fictional character that had the greatest impact on you” or something to that effect and that person is HJPEV, then that’s what you should write about. Otherwise, you’d be lying, and apart from the general wrongness of lying, you’re going to write better about something that’s true.
I didn’t disagree.
Thank you by the way. Your post convinced me to write about him and illuminated the best way to handle it.
If it’s not too personal, I would be curious to see the final product.
If I like how it turns out and decide to stick with it I’ll message it to you. I may not start for a while though.
Has anyone done a thorough social psychological game theoretic analysis of college admissions? Seems right up your alley, gwern.
I only play a deep thinker online, I don’t think I could write such a thing in a way that isn’t merely extensive plagiarism of, say, Steve Sailer.
(That said, reading over my comment, I missed an opportunity: I should have pointed out that the reason why 4>3 is because it is an expensive signal in the sense that attempting to do #4 but only achieving a #2 exposes one to considerable punishment whereas one doesn’t run such a risk with#1 and #3, and expensive signals are, of course, the most credible signals.)
The other way to look at the situation is that the admissions folks are looking for a very specific essay. That essay requires you to identify yourself with a character from some postmodern South American novel (or possibly Elie Wiesel in “Night”) and certainly has no place in it for fan fiction.
Nope. Admissions folks are looking to be entertained.
I think if you were to choose a character from a conventionally literary work, it should be something generally well-regarded in English departments, but which is very rarely assigned reading in high school. Maybe Middlemarch?
Hmm… I’m not sure. I’d take the word of someone with experience on an admissions committee, if you can get it.
If you do it, I think you’d be better off talking just a little about the character and much more about the community you found. Writing to the prompt is not really important for this sort of thing. (Usually one of the prompts is pretty much “Other,” confirming that.)
What’s your second choice?
I can’t think of any other fictional characters with a significant impact so if I don’t use him I would write about one of the other prompts. Only I can’t think of anything for the other choices and when I saw the fictional character option he immediately jumped to mind.
Howard Roark is usually a shoe-in for these “which fictional character” essays.
EDIT: This is in no way an endorsement of Ayn Rand. She has severe and myriad issues.
Thanks, I haven’t read any Ayn Rand but Atlas Shrugged is next in my queue. I guess I’ll swap it out for Fountainhead and see what I think.
I suspect it will be a bit dishonest to say that he had a great impact on me though if I read the book basically for the sake of the essay.
I bet admissions committees hate when you say you were influenced by Ayn Rand. You want something either very prestigious, or very unexpected, and Atlas Shrugged is neither. You might well be better off with fanfiction, if you can sell it with a really good essay and leave yourself a little bit of ironic detachment wiggle room.
Agreed, Rand is a total no-go for college admissions essays.
Who are some suitably high status inspirational folks to put on such essay.
Mind you college admissions here (Austrailia) are almost entirely based on high school exam scores so the information is completely useless to me!
This is the only inspirational thing I have ever read—the now deleted post-movie option journals of a blind man that had his vision restored and had to teach himself how to see. http://web.archive.org/web/20040401192741/http://www.senderogroup.com/mikejournal.htm#Q1%202000
That reminds me. This guy is inspiring too! Raw badass.
Richard Feynman?
Oh, yeah. Him. I would be cringing as I wrote that. I’d be imagining myself rolling my eyes as I read piles of cookie cutter password guessing applications. Ick. But I’d force myself to write him anyway.
I wonder how much status you can get by dropping the name everyone drops. I suppose you at least wouldn’t lose points.
Oh, dear. This wasn’t meant in any way as an endorsement of Ayn Rand.
Eh, admission essays are games; they must be played.