How many people do you know? What rate are we talking, re: “many people”?
I’ve personally known many people who have had serious medical problems that sure looked clearly like vaccine reactions.
I don’t know a lot, but either you know simply a ton of people, or at least one of us experienced a fairly outlier event, or something else is going on (bad batch of vaccines? keeping quiet about reactions? risk factors?). I can count about 50 people whose serious medical problems would absolutely have been communicated to me had they occurred, none of whom had one. Mostly 30s-40s.
I figure my extended circle (including 2nd and 3rd degree connections who I’ve met or heard some detailed story about) is on the order of 10K people, spanning ages from young kids (mostly children or grandchildren of friends) to quite old (parents and grandparents of acquaintances). I’ve heard plenty of reports of unpleasant vaccine reactions (including DAYS of downtime), and one or two where the reaction was bad enough that their doctor told them not to have the second shot. ZERO that I’d call “serious medical problems”.
I’m aware of my bubble—this group is very strongly biased to educated wealthy(ish) Americans. It does include people with chronic health problems, diagnosed and un-. But I’d be shocked if there’s a cluster where “many people” that someone knows were significantly harmed by the vaccines.
I’m NOT shocked that reporting of such things is suspect—there are incentives (in both directions) to report, and it’s really hard to be sure even in an individual case.
How many people do you know? What rate are we talking, re: “many people”?
I don’t think I can give very useful data here. I can give some rough numbers but they aren’t going to be very informative. I stopped bothering to listen to or look for reports of people’s vaccine side effects getting rejected after something like ten-ish because I was starting to notice something like overfitting going on in my head.
The important (to me) part was that there were multiple such cases, very distributed, which meant there’s some kind of bureaucratic mechanism in place (as opposed to one grumpy bureaucrat somewhere). I knew I couldn’t see it, and I observed that no one seemed to be talking about it (except the disgruntled vaccine-injured folk who were feeling swayed by the conspiracy theorists), which made the confidence folk were asserting about “The vaccines are safe & effective” look like mindless propaganda repetition to me even if it accidentally happened to be correct.
I was hoping for an update on that here. I’ve gotten quite a few others. Sadly on this one I’m not seeing much in the way of hope for clarification just yet.
How many people do you know? What rate are we talking, re: “many people”?
I don’t know a lot, but either you know simply a ton of people, or at least one of us experienced a fairly outlier event, or something else is going on (bad batch of vaccines? keeping quiet about reactions? risk factors?). I can count about 50 people whose serious medical problems would absolutely have been communicated to me had they occurred, none of whom had one. Mostly 30s-40s.
I figure my extended circle (including 2nd and 3rd degree connections who I’ve met or heard some detailed story about) is on the order of 10K people, spanning ages from young kids (mostly children or grandchildren of friends) to quite old (parents and grandparents of acquaintances). I’ve heard plenty of reports of unpleasant vaccine reactions (including DAYS of downtime), and one or two where the reaction was bad enough that their doctor told them not to have the second shot. ZERO that I’d call “serious medical problems”.
I’m aware of my bubble—this group is very strongly biased to educated wealthy(ish) Americans. It does include people with chronic health problems, diagnosed and un-. But I’d be shocked if there’s a cluster where “many people” that someone knows were significantly harmed by the vaccines.
I’m NOT shocked that reporting of such things is suspect—there are incentives (in both directions) to report, and it’s really hard to be sure even in an individual case.
I don’t think I can give very useful data here. I can give some rough numbers but they aren’t going to be very informative. I stopped bothering to listen to or look for reports of people’s vaccine side effects getting rejected after something like ten-ish because I was starting to notice something like overfitting going on in my head.
The important (to me) part was that there were multiple such cases, very distributed, which meant there’s some kind of bureaucratic mechanism in place (as opposed to one grumpy bureaucrat somewhere). I knew I couldn’t see it, and I observed that no one seemed to be talking about it (except the disgruntled vaccine-injured folk who were feeling swayed by the conspiracy theorists), which made the confidence folk were asserting about “The vaccines are safe & effective” look like mindless propaganda repetition to me even if it accidentally happened to be correct.
I was hoping for an update on that here. I’ve gotten quite a few others. Sadly on this one I’m not seeing much in the way of hope for clarification just yet.