Babyeating is also just a lot more aesthetic in certain ways, at least for me and probably many others. There’s the rich history and culture associated with babyeating.
How is this related to preferences or aesthetics concerning relationship styles?
(If you want to argue that monogamy is some value that I hold because I haven’t reflected upon it enough or thought things through from first principles and am instead supporting the legacy system out of status quo bias or Stockholm syndrome, as is really the only non-obvious argument to make, then you’ll have to go about it a lot more directly. If you’re saying that monogamy is reliably painful for at least one party where polyamory counterfactually would have eased that pain then you would need to substantiate that claim with evidence. If you’re not trying to say that then what are you trying to say, besides “My experience and introspection tell me that I don’t seem to share your values!”?)
You are reciting culturally-inherited cached thoughts about monogamy that seem as alien to me as babyeating is to humans. Your statements don’t have much information associated with them, but are just cheers for monogamy.
Ah, but that isn’t particularly true in the way you’re thinking it is—why be so uncharitable? I wouldn’t assume that your aversion to monagamy is the result of culturally-inherited cached cheers; it’s not socially polite or epistemicly hygienic. Anyway. I did indeed get many of my aesthetics from my culture, but insofar as you’re implying that I have not carefully reflected upon those aesthetics, you are mistaken. (Like many folk here I am significantly more reflective than your average person, and reflective on my process of reflection, and so on, because I mean what else do I have to do all day?) I agree that my statements don’t have much information to them, but I don’t really see them as “cheers” for monogamy—more like “things that I notice I like about monogamy relative to polygamy”. I do have some personal experience on the matter, I’m not simply armchair theorizing or extrapolating from books. It is clear that I should have added a sentence to that effect, or a clause saying “in my experience” to the relevant sentences.
Babyeating is also just a lot more aesthetic in certain ways, at least for me and probably many others. There’s the rich history and culture associated with babyeating.
If I believed you (I don’t) then I would point out that this should not lead you to weaken your estimation of Will’s point.
Will made very few points, and instead, cheered for monogamy. I intended to point this out by replacing the thing being cheered for, monogamy, with a different thing in the LessWrong zeitgeist, babyeating.
Non-Babyeating is also just a lot more aesthetic in certain ways, at least for me and probably many others. There’s the rich history and culture associated with non-babyeating.
I think you are misusing the example. The lesson of three worlds collide wasn’t that Babyeaters should obviously stop eating babies, it was that different beings have different and potentially mutually incompatible values. Why in the world would Baby-eaters want or work towards changing away from finding Baby-eating aesthetically pleasing?
Edit: I don’t really understand all the down votes, can someone explain to me why I’m wrong or why the post isn’t constructive? :)
Babyeating is also just a lot more aesthetic in certain ways, at least for me and probably many others. There’s the rich history and culture associated with babyeating.
How is this related to preferences or aesthetics concerning relationship styles?
(If you want to argue that monogamy is some value that I hold because I haven’t reflected upon it enough or thought things through from first principles and am instead supporting the legacy system out of status quo bias or Stockholm syndrome, as is really the only non-obvious argument to make, then you’ll have to go about it a lot more directly. If you’re saying that monogamy is reliably painful for at least one party where polyamory counterfactually would have eased that pain then you would need to substantiate that claim with evidence. If you’re not trying to say that then what are you trying to say, besides “My experience and introspection tell me that I don’t seem to share your values!”?)
You are reciting culturally-inherited cached thoughts about monogamy that seem as alien to me as babyeating is to humans. Your statements don’t have much information associated with them, but are just cheers for monogamy.
Ah, but that isn’t particularly true in the way you’re thinking it is—why be so uncharitable? I wouldn’t assume that your aversion to monagamy is the result of culturally-inherited cached cheers; it’s not socially polite or epistemicly hygienic. Anyway. I did indeed get many of my aesthetics from my culture, but insofar as you’re implying that I have not carefully reflected upon those aesthetics, you are mistaken. (Like many folk here I am significantly more reflective than your average person, and reflective on my process of reflection, and so on, because I mean what else do I have to do all day?) I agree that my statements don’t have much information to them, but I don’t really see them as “cheers” for monogamy—more like “things that I notice I like about monogamy relative to polygamy”. I do have some personal experience on the matter, I’m not simply armchair theorizing or extrapolating from books. It is clear that I should have added a sentence to that effect, or a clause saying “in my experience” to the relevant sentences.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating humans.
See the U.S. governments recent political crisis, and the resolution.
If I believed you (I don’t) then I would point out that this should not lead you to weaken your estimation of Will’s point.
Will made very few points, and instead, cheered for monogamy. I intended to point this out by replacing the thing being cheered for, monogamy, with a different thing in the LessWrong zeitgeist, babyeating.
Non-Babyeating is also just a lot more aesthetic in certain ways, at least for me and probably many others. There’s the rich history and culture associated with non-babyeating.
I think you are misusing the example. The lesson of three worlds collide wasn’t that Babyeaters should obviously stop eating babies, it was that different beings have different and potentially mutually incompatible values. Why in the world would Baby-eaters want or work towards changing away from finding Baby-eating aesthetically pleasing?
Edit: I don’t really understand all the down votes, can someone explain to me why I’m wrong or why the post isn’t constructive? :)