I’m pretty sure I don’t like being Sold. I generally have a pretty good idea of what I do or don’t want, and (to the extent that I recognize it), I dislike being manipulated.
You might be right about people in general, but it seems like a hard thing to check on whether people like being Sold as distinct from whether it’s possible to Sell them.
I’m pretty sure I don’t like being Sold. I generally have a pretty good idea of what I do or don’t want, and (to the extent that I recognize it), I dislike being manipulated.
I don’t like feeling that I’m being Sold. Nevertheless, I’ve bought many things. Those things were sold to me. What’s the difference between Sold and sold?
I think I have a pretty good idea of what I want, but I don’t always know what I want to do to fulfill those wants. My default want for any product is zero, until I’m shown how it could fulfill one of my higher order wants. That’s a sales process, no?
In some of the most successful forms of sales, we never feel like we are being Sold.
There’s a difference between seeking a product, being invited to investigate a product, and being Sold a product. Examples:
I drink a couple of gallons of milk every week. I go to the part of the grocery store which contains milk, and select the kind I know that I prefer (skim) in a brand selected for price, familiarity, attractive packaging, or incidentally as part of sorting by expiration date. No person has to interact with me to cause me to choose the milk; if it’s not available at one store I will arrange to get it elsewhere. I have sought this product.
On my way to check out of the store with the milk, there is a display of free samples of goat cheese, of a type which I haven’t eaten before. I find taste relevant in my cheese selection, so I try some. It tastes good, so I buy a round of the cheese. No person has to interact with me directly to cause me to choose this cheese, but if it hadn’t been there I wouldn’t have bought any. I may continue to buy the same cheese regularly. I have been invited to investigate this product.
Between the goat cheese and the cash register, I am stopped by a salesperson who entices me to buy a specific brand of yogurt. I have neither a preexisting interest in yogurt, nor any reason specific to the brand to select this and not another yogurt even if I did. The salesperson says nice things about eir brand of yogurt: the company that makes it does good things for the environment, the yogurt contains ingredients I don’t recognize which are reputed to have health benefits, the container is recyclable, the yogurt is flavored with an exotic tropical fruit, if I buy this yogurt I can enter a drawing to get a free tote bag, etc. Note that none of these things were involved in my choice of milk or cheese, above: they aren’t the kind of information I find relevant to my selections of dairy products. They’re things I find weakly positive but not enough to look for them actively. And they’re presented by a person, not by a label. While I might buy this yogurt, and might even continue to buy it in the future, it has entered my life by channels via which I did not mean to admit yogurt when I walked into the store.
I don’t feel like you’re giving a good marginal case—for example:
I go to the store looking for orange juice. The store is out of the brand I usually buy, but there are free samples of passion fruit juice being handed out nearby. I stop to try some, at the behest of the person pouring the little cups; partly because I want them to feel like they’re doing something worthwhile, partly because I’m thirsty.
Drinking it, I realize that passion fruit juice is the greatest tasting thing that I’ve ever encountered. I immediately buy ten gallons and update my favorite things on facebook.
Was this manipulative? What if the juice stand is on the side of the road instead of in a supermarket?
That seems like a blend between all three (you sought juice, but not this kind; you tried a sample and enjoyed it on the basis of approved criteria; a person beseeched you to take the sample). If wanting people to feel like they are doing something useful were a means by which you independently chose juices, there are probably better ways to optimize for it. The strength of your response to the taste of passion fruit juice in this example doesn’t seem like the kind of thing that the sample-pourer could have easily influenced, though, so I’m inclined to process it more like the goat cheese example.
(Incidentally, I learned to like interesting cheeses via a sample of goat cheese in a grocery store, and continue to spend significant amounts of money on interesting cheese years later. The sample table was attended but the person spreading cheese on little toasts was not very interested in making people eat the samples. I had to ask her where to find retail-sized amounts of it; she didn’t disclose the information unprompted.)
Here’s what I think of as an optimal situation: For a very long time I’ve thought of ginger ale as a better idea in theory than in fact. Recently, a little gourmet shop opened nearby. The owners make some efforts to Sell me things, but don’t apply so much pressure I feel rolled over. Sometimes I like what I buy, sometimes I don’t, occasionally it seems wildly overpriced.
Fevertree ginger naturally light ginger beer is the ginger ale that’s been lurking in the back of my mind. Nobody had to tell me that I was going to like it. The packaging isn’t especially notable. I have actual preferences.
Perhaps someday I will find onion rings which are as good as my idea of onion rings.
The thing is, we all like to be Sold, Led, Dominated; if I walk into Subway, and I ask the kid at the counter to give me his Best Submarine Sandwich, I want him to tell me what I want, and make me love it after it’s paid for. The last thing he should do is say that “They’re all good!” and make me regret the [(5 breads)x(16 meats)x(212 Toppings)-1] subs that I didn’t get.3 Retail is the Dark Arts Done Right (usually). The Sales Lady figures out what I want, uses her expertise to find the best fit, and then kills the cognitive dissonance that could ruin my enjoyment of the product; “You really pull off that colour. Seriously, that jacket looks great on you – you see how these lines naturally compliment your shoulders? Of course you can!”
Please take my word for it that I don’t want the kid at the counter to make me love the sandwich. This is not my kink. I can appreciate presentation. I like dealing with pleasant people. Now that I know something about Baysianism, if I have no idea what I want, I might ask for the most popular selection.
I can’t imagine wanting or trusting the opinion of a sales clerk about clothing—their job is to sell it, not to have good judgment about how I look. I suppose that if I were more interested in clothes, I might find some sales clerks whose opinions I respected, but that’s still not the same as wanting them to sprinkle pixie dust.
Hugh, my paranoid reading is that you don’t think I should have boundaries about what I want. It’s possible that there’s just something about the way I write about it that sets you off. The non-paranoid reading is that you don’t think anyone should have boundaries about what they want.
I suppose it’s a boundary thing, but I’m content to let you have your personality structure. I really don’t think this aspect of mine is doing me any harm.
I expect to be Sold, because I understand that That’s Business, but it bothers me when we’re talking about a major purchase, because I’m scared of accidentally parting with a dangerous amount of my money. I’m not sure salesmanship for big purchases is immoral, but it’s at least dangerous—a successful car salesman can destroy your life.
I’m pretty sure I don’t like being Sold. I generally have a pretty good idea of what I do or don’t want, and (to the extent that I recognize it), I dislike being manipulated.
You might be right about people in general, but it seems like a hard thing to check on whether people like being Sold as distinct from whether it’s possible to Sell them.
I don’t like feeling that I’m being Sold. Nevertheless, I’ve bought many things. Those things were sold to me. What’s the difference between Sold and sold?
I think I have a pretty good idea of what I want, but I don’t always know what I want to do to fulfill those wants. My default want for any product is zero, until I’m shown how it could fulfill one of my higher order wants. That’s a sales process, no?
In some of the most successful forms of sales, we never feel like we are being Sold.
There’s a difference between seeking a product, being invited to investigate a product, and being Sold a product. Examples:
I drink a couple of gallons of milk every week. I go to the part of the grocery store which contains milk, and select the kind I know that I prefer (skim) in a brand selected for price, familiarity, attractive packaging, or incidentally as part of sorting by expiration date. No person has to interact with me to cause me to choose the milk; if it’s not available at one store I will arrange to get it elsewhere. I have sought this product.
On my way to check out of the store with the milk, there is a display of free samples of goat cheese, of a type which I haven’t eaten before. I find taste relevant in my cheese selection, so I try some. It tastes good, so I buy a round of the cheese. No person has to interact with me directly to cause me to choose this cheese, but if it hadn’t been there I wouldn’t have bought any. I may continue to buy the same cheese regularly. I have been invited to investigate this product.
Between the goat cheese and the cash register, I am stopped by a salesperson who entices me to buy a specific brand of yogurt. I have neither a preexisting interest in yogurt, nor any reason specific to the brand to select this and not another yogurt even if I did. The salesperson says nice things about eir brand of yogurt: the company that makes it does good things for the environment, the yogurt contains ingredients I don’t recognize which are reputed to have health benefits, the container is recyclable, the yogurt is flavored with an exotic tropical fruit, if I buy this yogurt I can enter a drawing to get a free tote bag, etc. Note that none of these things were involved in my choice of milk or cheese, above: they aren’t the kind of information I find relevant to my selections of dairy products. They’re things I find weakly positive but not enough to look for them actively. And they’re presented by a person, not by a label. While I might buy this yogurt, and might even continue to buy it in the future, it has entered my life by channels via which I did not mean to admit yogurt when I walked into the store.
I don’t feel like you’re giving a good marginal case—for example:
I go to the store looking for orange juice. The store is out of the brand I usually buy, but there are free samples of passion fruit juice being handed out nearby. I stop to try some, at the behest of the person pouring the little cups; partly because I want them to feel like they’re doing something worthwhile, partly because I’m thirsty. Drinking it, I realize that passion fruit juice is the greatest tasting thing that I’ve ever encountered. I immediately buy ten gallons and update my favorite things on facebook.
Was this manipulative? What if the juice stand is on the side of the road instead of in a supermarket?
Even if it was manipulative, is it a bad thing?
That seems like a blend between all three (you sought juice, but not this kind; you tried a sample and enjoyed it on the basis of approved criteria; a person beseeched you to take the sample). If wanting people to feel like they are doing something useful were a means by which you independently chose juices, there are probably better ways to optimize for it. The strength of your response to the taste of passion fruit juice in this example doesn’t seem like the kind of thing that the sample-pourer could have easily influenced, though, so I’m inclined to process it more like the goat cheese example.
(Incidentally, I learned to like interesting cheeses via a sample of goat cheese in a grocery store, and continue to spend significant amounts of money on interesting cheese years later. The sample table was attended but the person spreading cheese on little toasts was not very interested in making people eat the samples. I had to ask her where to find retail-sized amounts of it; she didn’t disclose the information unprompted.)
I see parallels to the clever arguer in being Sold something.
Here’s what I think of as an optimal situation: For a very long time I’ve thought of ginger ale as a better idea in theory than in fact. Recently, a little gourmet shop opened nearby. The owners make some efforts to Sell me things, but don’t apply so much pressure I feel rolled over. Sometimes I like what I buy, sometimes I don’t, occasionally it seems wildly overpriced.
Fevertree ginger naturally light ginger beer is the ginger ale that’s been lurking in the back of my mind. Nobody had to tell me that I was going to like it. The packaging isn’t especially notable. I have actual preferences.
Perhaps someday I will find onion rings which are as good as my idea of onion rings.
Please take my word for it that I don’t want the kid at the counter to make me love the sandwich. This is not my kink. I can appreciate presentation. I like dealing with pleasant people. Now that I know something about Baysianism, if I have no idea what I want, I might ask for the most popular selection.
I can’t imagine wanting or trusting the opinion of a sales clerk about clothing—their job is to sell it, not to have good judgment about how I look. I suppose that if I were more interested in clothes, I might find some sales clerks whose opinions I respected, but that’s still not the same as wanting them to sprinkle pixie dust.
Hugh, my paranoid reading is that you don’t think I should have boundaries about what I want. It’s possible that there’s just something about the way I write about it that sets you off. The non-paranoid reading is that you don’t think anyone should have boundaries about what they want.
I suppose it’s a boundary thing, but I’m content to let you have your personality structure. I really don’t think this aspect of mine is doing me any harm.
I expect to be Sold, because I understand that That’s Business, but it bothers me when we’re talking about a major purchase, because I’m scared of accidentally parting with a dangerous amount of my money. I’m not sure salesmanship for big purchases is immoral, but it’s at least dangerous—a successful car salesman can destroy your life.