How severe do you think the logistics growth penalties are? I kinda mentally imagine a world where all desert and similar type land is covered in solar. Deeper mines than humans normally dig are supplying the minerals for further production. Many mines are underwater. The limit at that point is environment, you have exhausted the available land for more energy acquisition and are limited in what you can do safely without damaging the biosphere.
Somewhere around that point you shift to lunar factories which are in an exponential growth phase until the lunar surface is covered.
Basically I don’t see the penalties being relevant. There’s enough production to break geopolitical power deadlocks, and enough for a world of “everyone gets their needs and most luxury wants met”, assuming approximately 10 billion humans. The fact that further expansion may slow down isn’t relevant on a human scale.
Do you mean “when can we distinguish exponential from logistical curve”? I dunno, but I do know that many things which look exponential turn out to slow down after a finite (and small) number of doublings.
No I mean what I typed. Try my toy model, factories driven by AGI expanding across the earth or Moon. A logistical growth curve explicitly applies a penalty that scales with scale. When do you think this matters and by how much?
If say at lunar 50 percent the penalty is 10 percent, you have a case of basically exponential growth.
How severe do you think the logistics growth penalties are? I kinda mentally imagine a world where all desert and similar type land is covered in solar. Deeper mines than humans normally dig are supplying the minerals for further production. Many mines are underwater. The limit at that point is environment, you have exhausted the available land for more energy acquisition and are limited in what you can do safely without damaging the biosphere.
Somewhere around that point you shift to lunar factories which are in an exponential growth phase until the lunar surface is covered.
Basically I don’t see the penalties being relevant. There’s enough production to break geopolitical power deadlocks, and enough for a world of “everyone gets their needs and most luxury wants met”, assuming approximately 10 billion humans. The fact that further expansion may slow down isn’t relevant on a human scale.
Do you mean “when can we distinguish exponential from logistical curve”? I dunno, but I do know that many things which look exponential turn out to slow down after a finite (and small) number of doublings.
No I mean what I typed. Try my toy model, factories driven by AGI expanding across the earth or Moon. A logistical growth curve explicitly applies a penalty that scales with scale. When do you think this matters and by how much?
If say at lunar 50 percent the penalty is 10 percent, you have a case of basically exponential growth.
I mean, that sounds like it would already absolutely fuck up most ecosystems and thus life support.