Since both types of AIs are: (1) playing the training game, (2) lying in order to obtain power, it makes sense to call both of them “schemers”, as that simply matches the way the term is typically used.
I agree this matches typical usage (and also matches usage in the overall post we’re commenting on), but sadly the word schemer in the context of Joe’s report means something more specific. I’m sad about the overall terminology situation here. It’s possible I should just always use a term like beyond-episode-goal-style-scheming.
I agree this distinction is fuzzy, but I think there is likely to be an important distinction because the case where the behavior isn’t due to things well described as beyond-episode-goals, it should be much easier to study. See here for more commentary. There will of course be a spectrum here.
I agree this matches typical usage (and also matches usage in the overall post we’re commenting on), but sadly the word schemer in the context of Joe’s report means something more specific. I’m sad about the overall terminology situation here. It’s possible I should just always use a term like beyond-episode-goal-style-scheming.
I agree this distinction is fuzzy, but I think there is likely to be an important distinction because the case where the behavior isn’t due to things well described as beyond-episode-goals, it should be much easier to study. See here for more commentary. There will of course be a spectrum here.