if yea is the right choice for every decider, it’s because “always yea” actually does better than “always nay.
It is the best choice for every decider who only cares about the kids in their Everett branches.
It’s not the best choice for deciders (or non-deciders, though they don’t get a say) who care equally about kids across all the branches. Their preferences are as before.
It’s a really lousy choice for any non-deciders who only care about the kids in their Everett branches. Their expected outcome for “yea” just got worse by the same amount that first lot of deciders who only care about their kids got better. Unfortunately for them, their sole decider thinks he’s probably in the Tails group, and that his kids will gain by saying “yea”, as he is perfectly rational to think given the information he has at that time.
What does an entity that only cares about the kids in its Everett branches even look like? I am confused. Usually things have preferences about lotteries over outcomes, and an outcome is an entire multiverse, and these things are physically realized and their preferences change when the coinflip happens? How does that even work? I guess if you want you can implement an entity that works like that, but I’m not certain why we’d even call it the same entity at any two times. This sort of entity would do very well to cut out its eyes and ears so it never learns it’s a decider and begin chanting “nay, nay, nay!” wouldn’t it?
What does an entity that only cares about the kids in its Everett branches even look like?
Example 1: Someone that doesn’t know about or believe in many worlds. The don’t care about kids in alternate Everett branches, because to their mind they don’t exist, so have zero value. In his mind, all value is in this single universe, with a coin that he is 90% sure landed Tails. By his beliefs, “yea” wins. Most people just don’t think about entire multiverses.
Example 2: Someone who gets many worlds, but tends inclined to be overwhelmingly more charitable to those that feel Near rather than Far, and to those that feel like Their Responsibility rather than Someone Else’s Problem. I hear this isn’t too uncommon :-)
This sort of entity would do very well to cut out its eyes and ears so it never learns it’s a decider and begin chanting “nay, nay, nay!” wouldn’t it?
Actual cutting aside, this is an excellent strategy. Upvoted :)
What does an entity that only cares about the kids in its Everett branches even look like?
Example 1: Someone that doesn’t know about or believe in many worlds. The don’t care about kids in alternate Everett branches, because to their mind they don’t exist, so have zero value. In his mind, all value is in this single universe, with a coin that he is 90% sure landed Tails. By his beliefs, “yea” wins. Most people just don’t think about entire multiverses.
Example 2: Someone who gets many worlds, but tends inclined to be overwhelmingly more charitable to those that feel Near rather than Far, and to those that feel like Their Responsibility rather than Someone Else’s Problem. I hear this isn’t too uncommon :-)
This sort of entity would do very well to cut out its eyes and ears so it never learns it’s a decider and begin chanting “nay, nay, nay!” wouldn’t it?
Actual cutting aside, this is an excellent strategy.
I suppose I’ll avoid repeating myself and try to say new things.
You seem to be saying that when you vote yea, it’s right, but when other people vote yea, it’s wrong. Hmm, I guess you could resolve it by allowing the validity of logic to vary depending on who used it. But that would be bad.
I think we may be misunderstanding each-other, and possibly even arguing about different things. I’m finding it increasingly hard to think how your comments could possibly be a logical response to those you’re responding to, and I suspect you’re feeling the same.
I said I disagreed with those deciders who didn’t care about kids in other branches.
Well, I give up. This makes so little sense to me that I have lost all hope of this going somewhere useful. It was interesting, though, and it gave me a clearer picture of the problem, so I regret nothing :D
It is the best choice for every decider who only cares about the kids in their Everett branches.
It’s not the best choice for deciders (or non-deciders, though they don’t get a say) who care equally about kids across all the branches. Their preferences are as before.
It’s a really lousy choice for any non-deciders who only care about the kids in their Everett branches. Their expected outcome for “yea” just got worse by the same amount that first lot of deciders who only care about their kids got better. Unfortunately for them, their sole decider thinks he’s probably in the Tails group, and that his kids will gain by saying “yea”, as he is perfectly rational to think given the information he has at that time.
There is no contradiction.
What does an entity that only cares about the kids in its Everett branches even look like? I am confused. Usually things have preferences about lotteries over outcomes, and an outcome is an entire multiverse, and these things are physically realized and their preferences change when the coinflip happens? How does that even work? I guess if you want you can implement an entity that works like that, but I’m not certain why we’d even call it the same entity at any two times. This sort of entity would do very well to cut out its eyes and ears so it never learns it’s a decider and begin chanting “nay, nay, nay!” wouldn’t it?
Example 1: Someone that doesn’t know about or believe in many worlds. The don’t care about kids in alternate Everett branches, because to their mind they don’t exist, so have zero value. In his mind, all value is in this single universe, with a coin that he is 90% sure landed Tails. By his beliefs, “yea” wins. Most people just don’t think about entire multiverses.
Example 2: Someone who gets many worlds, but tends inclined to be overwhelmingly more charitable to those that feel Near rather than Far, and to those that feel like Their Responsibility rather than Someone Else’s Problem. I hear this isn’t too uncommon :-)
Actual cutting aside, this is an excellent strategy. Upvoted :)
Example 1: Someone that doesn’t know about or believe in many worlds. The don’t care about kids in alternate Everett branches, because to their mind they don’t exist, so have zero value. In his mind, all value is in this single universe, with a coin that he is 90% sure landed Tails. By his beliefs, “yea” wins. Most people just don’t think about entire multiverses.
Example 2: Someone who gets many worlds, but tends inclined to be overwhelmingly more charitable to those that feel Near rather than Far, and to those that feel like Their Responsibility rather than Someone Else’s Problem. I hear this isn’t too uncommon :-)
Actual cutting aside, this is an excellent strategy.
I suppose I’ll avoid repeating myself and try to say new things.
You seem to be saying that when you vote yea, it’s right, but when other people vote yea, it’s wrong. Hmm, I guess you could resolve it by allowing the validity of logic to vary depending on who used it. But that would be bad.
(Edited for clarity)
I think we may be misunderstanding each-other, and possibly even arguing about different things. I’m finding it increasingly hard to think how your comments could possibly be a logical response to those you’re responding to, and I suspect you’re feeling the same.
Serves me right, of course.
When I do what? What are you even talking about?
Ah, sorry, that does look odd. I meant “when you vote ‘yea,’ it’s okay, but when they vote ‘yea’ for exactly the same reasons, it’s bad.”
Not sure why the ones voting “yea” would be me. I said I disagreed with those deciders who didn’t care about kids in other branches.
Anyway, they vote differently despite being in the same situation because their preferences are different.
Well, I give up. This makes so little sense to me that I have lost all hope of this going somewhere useful. It was interesting, though, and it gave me a clearer picture of the problem, so I regret nothing :D
We’re not perfect Bayesians (and certainly don’t have common knowledge of each-other’s beliefs!) so we can agree to disagree.
Besides, I’m running away for a few days. Merry Xmas :)