I think the two things that felt most unhealthy were:
The “no forgiveness is ever possible” thing, as you highlight. Almost all talk about ineradicable sin should, IMO, be seen as a powerful psychological attack.
The “our sins” thing feels like an unhealthy form of collective responsibility—you’re responsible even if you haven’t done anything. Again, very suspect on priors.
Maybe this is more intuitive for rationalists if you imagine a SJW writing a song about how, even millions of years in the future, anyone descended from westerners should still feel guilt about slavery: “Our sins can never be undone. No single death will be forgiven.” I think this is the psychological exploit that’s screwed up leftism so much over the last decade, and feels very analogous to what’s happening in this song.
I think what I currently feel-in-my-heart is something like “yeah that does make sense, but, I sort of wish there was an amount of mournful-grieving-acknowledgement that felt like captured the weight of the thing, without being too likely to escalate into a pervasive psychological attack.”
The current (at least as of two days ago) amount of discussion of the Dath Ilan song was fairly rare and private and high-context. I do think making it into a sort-of-”pop” song is the sort of thing reasonable to be wary of.
I think the two things that felt most unhealthy were:
The “no forgiveness is ever possible” thing, as you highlight. Almost all talk about ineradicable sin should, IMO, be seen as a powerful psychological attack.
The “our sins” thing feels like an unhealthy form of collective responsibility—you’re responsible even if you haven’t done anything. Again, very suspect on priors.
Maybe this is more intuitive for rationalists if you imagine a SJW writing a song about how, even millions of years in the future, anyone descended from westerners should still feel guilt about slavery: “Our sins can never be undone. No single death will be forgiven.” I think this is the psychological exploit that’s screwed up leftism so much over the last decade, and feels very analogous to what’s happening in this song.
Nod, makes sense. I’ll mull it over more.
I think what I currently feel-in-my-heart is something like “yeah that does make sense, but, I sort of wish there was an amount of mournful-grieving-acknowledgement that felt like captured the weight of the thing, without being too likely to escalate into a pervasive psychological attack.”
The current (at least as of two days ago) amount of discussion of the Dath Ilan song was fairly rare and private and high-context. I do think making it into a sort-of-”pop” song is the sort of thing reasonable to be wary of.
Yeah, the lyrics didn’t sit well with me either so I counterlyricized it.