So, I think it’s important that LessWrong admins do not get to unilaterally decide that You Are Now Playing a Game With Your Reputation.
However, if Chris doesn’t want to play, the action available to him is simply to not engage. I don’t think he gets to both press the button and change the rules to decide what a button press means to other players.
So, I think it’s important that LessWrong admins do not get to unilaterally decide that You Are Now Playing a Game With Your Reputation.
Dude, we’re all always playing games with our reputations. That’s, like, what reputation is.
And good for Habyka for saying he feels disappointment at the lack of thoughtfulness and reflection, it’s very much not just permitted but almost mandated by the founder of this place —
Here’s the relevant citation from Well-Kept Gardens:
I confess, for a while I didn’t even understand why communities had such trouble defending themselves—I thought it was pure naivete. It didn’t occur to me that it was an egalitarian instinct to prevent chieftains from getting too much power.
This too:
I have seen rationalist communities die because they trusted their moderators too little.
Let’s give Habryka a little more respect, eh? Disappointment is a perfectly valid thing to be experiencing and he’s certainly conveying it quite mildly and graciously. Admins here did a hell of a job resurrecting this place back from the dead, to express very mild disapproval at a lack of thoughtfulness during a community event is....… well that seems very much on-mission, at least according to Yudkowsky.
I feel confused about how you interpreted my comment, and edited it lightly. For the record, Habryka’s comment seems basically right to me; just wanted to add some nuance.
Honestly, I kind of think that would be a straightforwardly silly thing to worry about, if one were to think about it for a few moments. (And I note that it’s not Chris’ stated reasoning.)
Like, leave aside that the PM was indistinguishable from a phishing attack. Pretend that it had come through both email and PM, from Ben Pace, with the codes repeated. All the same… LW just isn’t the kind of place where we’re going to socially shame someone for
Not taking action
...within 30 minutes of an unexpected email being sent to them
So, I think it’s important that LessWrong admins do not get to unilaterally decide that You Are Now Playing a Game With Your Reputation.
However, if Chris doesn’t want to play, the action available to him is simply to not engage. I don’t think he gets to both press the button and change the rules to decide what a button press means to other players.
Dude, we’re all always playing games with our reputations. That’s, like, what reputation is.
And good for Habyka for saying he feels disappointment at the lack of thoughtfulness and reflection, it’s very much not just permitted but almost mandated by the founder of this place —
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/tscc3e5eujrsEeFN4/well-kept-gardens-die-by-pacifism
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/RcZCwxFiZzE6X7nsv/what-do-we-mean-by-rationality-1
Here’s the relevant citation from Well-Kept Gardens:
This too:
Let’s give Habryka a little more respect, eh? Disappointment is a perfectly valid thing to be experiencing and he’s certainly conveying it quite mildly and graciously. Admins here did a hell of a job resurrecting this place back from the dead, to express very mild disapproval at a lack of thoughtfulness during a community event is....… well that seems very much on-mission, at least according to Yudkowsky.
I feel confused about how you interpreted my comment, and edited it lightly. For the record, Habryka’s comment seems basically right to me; just wanted to add some nuance.
Ah, I see, I read the original version partially wrong, my mistake. We’re in agreement. Regards.
Well, I had an option not to engage until I received the message saying it would blow up if enough users didn’t press the button within half an hour.
Even after receiving that message, it still seems like the “do not engage” action is to not enter the codes?
I think “doesn’t want to ruin other people’s fun or do anything significant” feels more accurate than “do not engage” here?
And then, for all he knew, his name might have been posted in a list of users who could have prevented the apocalypse but didn’t.
Honestly, I kind of think that would be a straightforwardly silly thing to worry about, if one were to think about it for a few moments. (And I note that it’s not Chris’ stated reasoning.)
Like, leave aside that the PM was indistinguishable from a phishing attack. Pretend that it had come through both email and PM, from Ben Pace, with the codes repeated. All the same… LW just isn’t the kind of place where we’re going to socially shame someone for
Not taking action
...within 30 minutes of an unexpected email being sent to them
...whether or not they even saw the email
...in a game they didn’t agree to play.
And then maybe the site would have blown up, which was not what I was aiming for at that time.