It’s dawned on me that one of the biggest themes of this fic may be the importance of being able to notice flaws in one’s models of other people. Virtually every time something has gone wrong in one of Voldemort’s plans, it is because he is weak in this area:
Failure to predict how Harry would react to seeing him (as Quirrell) trying to kill an Aurour in Azkaban
Failure to predict that Hermione would be suspicious of Mr. Incredibly Suspicious Person
Failure to see how far Harry would go to keep Hermione out of Azkaban
Failure to talk Hermione into leaving Hogwarts of her own free will
The initial failure to predict that people would not treat him very well in his hero role
Then there’s Lucius, seeing everything in terms of self-interested plots, and concluding Harry is Voldemort because of it.
And finally, the bit in chapter 81 about how Harry is wiser than either Dumbledore or Voldemort, because he realizes he’s able to realize when he doesn’t understand people.
(I think one of those Azkabans should be a Hogwarts.)
There’s also the two miscalculations in the speech before Yule- Harry’s wish (which I think genuinely caught him by surprise) and Harry’s publicly disagreeing with him (likewise).
It’s dawned on me that one of the biggest themes of this fic may be the importance of being able to notice flaws in one’s models of other people.
Not that the theme isn’t present, but I almost consider that a general theme of fiction. Romeo and Juliet is enabled by the authorities on both sides not having accurate models of their respective scions. Of Mice and Men is about Lenny’s inaccuracy in his model of George. Die Hard always ends because the villain does not have an accurate model of John McClane. I’m sure you could write a whole book about Death Note. etc.
While it is present in HPMoR, it doesn’t strike me as especially significant any more so than other fiction, compared to the many more overtly rationalist themes already present.
I think you are erring when you assume that these are Voldemort’s plans. They might be, but I don’t think they have to be. The story seems to have deviated quite far from the original story.
In fact, my reading is that Quirrell may actually be some good guy, destroying our expectations from the story. I mean, has his turban even been mentioned?
The young, thin, nervous man who Harry had first met in the Leaky Cauldron slowly made his way up to the podium, glancing fearfully around in all directions. Harry caught a glimpse of the back of his head, and it looked like Professor Quirrell might already be going bald, despite his seeming youth.
The the first omake in chapter eleven, combined with the “philosophy of fanfiction” in the “more info,” at HPMOR.com, strongly suggests that Voldemort is possessing Quirrell, but Quirrell isn’t wearing a turban because Voldemort found some smarter method that wouldn’t be trivially easy for Rational!Harry to figure out. Other major clues that something is up with Quirrell are:
His mysterious illness
Chapter 20 strongly hints that he turned the Pioneer Plaque into a horcrux.
And those are just the clues we got in the first 20 chapters. In another comment in this thread, I made a rather long list of clues restricting myself to thinks Harry knows about.
My idea for this is that Voldemort is on the back of Quirrell’s head, but then the Quirrellmort composite polyjuiced himself back into Quirrell, so that he doesn’t have the huge vulnerability of having a face on the back of his head.
(This explains the mystery of why he blocked the polyjuice detection spell that was cast at him at the ministry.)
On the other hand, Dumbledore and McGonagall both know some reason that Quirrell’s nature is absolutely not to be inquired about by anyone. Dumbledore even evaded the Aurors’ question on the subject. If the secret that they are guarding is that Q=V, then either they’re all on V’s side or they’ve been jinxed or blackmailed in some way. I don’t find any of those possibilities credible. That implies that there is some other secret in play about Quirrell’s nature. I don’t think there’s room for two such secrets, the other one being Q=V.
More likely, Q contains a fragment of V but Q remains in control. Q’s lapses into zombieness are a side effect of what it takes to stay in control. Inquiries are dangerous because of the possibility, as with Harry under the Sorting Hat, of awakening the fragment to self-awareness. Q is valuable to Dumbledore and the forces of light because of the insight he can provide into Voldemort’s history and how Voldemort thinks. Perhaps control over that piece of V will also be useful for magical reasons.
And finally, the bit in chapter 81 about how Harry is wiser than either Dumbledore or Voldemort, because he realizes he’s able to realize when he doesn’t understand people.
This is a better interpretation of that bit than I’ve seen before—I approve.
Failure to talk Hermione into leaving Azkaban of her own free will
Assuming you meant Hogwarts...
If there is a possession element to this plot, as Dumbledore believes, it may not have been her will she was fighting when she had to clamp her mouth shut to keep it from saying Yes.
Dumbledore explicitly warded her against mental interference as soon as he got her back—Which is presumably why Quirrell didnt use the groundhog day attack again. He only got one try to sway her this time, and while his mental model was more accurate based on the data from the last go.. nope, fail.
It’s dawned on me that one of the biggest themes of this fic may be the importance of being able to notice flaws in one’s models of other people. Virtually every time something has gone wrong in one of Voldemort’s plans, it is because he is weak in this area:
Failure to predict how Harry would react to seeing him (as Quirrell) trying to kill an Aurour in Azkaban
Failure to predict that Hermione would be suspicious of Mr. Incredibly Suspicious Person
Failure to see how far Harry would go to keep Hermione out of Azkaban
Failure to talk Hermione into leaving Hogwarts of her own free will
The initial failure to predict that people would not treat him very well in his hero role
Then there’s Lucius, seeing everything in terms of self-interested plots, and concluding Harry is Voldemort because of it.
And finally, the bit in chapter 81 about how Harry is wiser than either Dumbledore or Voldemort, because he realizes he’s able to realize when he doesn’t understand people.
(I think one of those Azkabans should be a Hogwarts.)
There’s also the two miscalculations in the speech before Yule- Harry’s wish (which I think genuinely caught him by surprise) and Harry’s publicly disagreeing with him (likewise).
Fixed the Azkaban/Hogwarts mistake.
And yes, the Yule speech belongs there as well.
Not that the theme isn’t present, but I almost consider that a general theme of fiction. Romeo and Juliet is enabled by the authorities on both sides not having accurate models of their respective scions. Of Mice and Men is about Lenny’s inaccuracy in his model of George. Die Hard always ends because the villain does not have an accurate model of John McClane. I’m sure you could write a whole book about Death Note. etc.
While it is present in HPMoR, it doesn’t strike me as especially significant any more so than other fiction, compared to the many more overtly rationalist themes already present.
I think you are erring when you assume that these are Voldemort’s plans. They might be, but I don’t think they have to be. The story seems to have deviated quite far from the original story.
In fact, my reading is that Quirrell may actually be some good guy, destroying our expectations from the story. I mean, has his turban even been mentioned?
Chapter 12 (the Welcoming Feast):
The the first omake in chapter eleven, combined with the “philosophy of fanfiction” in the “more info,” at HPMOR.com, strongly suggests that Voldemort is possessing Quirrell, but Quirrell isn’t wearing a turban because Voldemort found some smarter method that wouldn’t be trivially easy for Rational!Harry to figure out. Other major clues that something is up with Quirrell are:
His mysterious illness
Chapter 20 strongly hints that he turned the Pioneer Plaque into a horcrux.
And those are just the clues we got in the first 20 chapters. In another comment in this thread, I made a rather long list of clues restricting myself to thinks Harry knows about.
My idea for this is that Voldemort is on the back of Quirrell’s head, but then the Quirrellmort composite polyjuiced himself back into Quirrell, so that he doesn’t have the huge vulnerability of having a face on the back of his head. (This explains the mystery of why he blocked the polyjuice detection spell that was cast at him at the ministry.)
On the other hand, Dumbledore and McGonagall both know some reason that Quirrell’s nature is absolutely not to be inquired about by anyone. Dumbledore even evaded the Aurors’ question on the subject. If the secret that they are guarding is that Q=V, then either they’re all on V’s side or they’ve been jinxed or blackmailed in some way. I don’t find any of those possibilities credible. That implies that there is some other secret in play about Quirrell’s nature. I don’t think there’s room for two such secrets, the other one being Q=V.
More likely, Q contains a fragment of V but Q remains in control. Q’s lapses into zombieness are a side effect of what it takes to stay in control. Inquiries are dangerous because of the possibility, as with Harry under the Sorting Hat, of awakening the fragment to self-awareness. Q is valuable to Dumbledore and the forces of light because of the insight he can provide into Voldemort’s history and how Voldemort thinks. Perhaps control over that piece of V will also be useful for magical reasons.
This is a better interpretation of that bit than I’ve seen before—I approve.
Assuming you meant Hogwarts...
If there is a possession element to this plot, as Dumbledore believes, it may not have been her will she was fighting when she had to clamp her mouth shut to keep it from saying Yes.
Dumbledore explicitly warded her against mental interference as soon as he got her back—Which is presumably why Quirrell didnt use the groundhog day attack again. He only got one try to sway her this time, and while his mental model was more accurate based on the data from the last go.. nope, fail.
You’re right.
D’oh, right fixed.