See, the issue is that you think the downvotes were because of your views. I can’t speak for other people, but I downvoted you because you were engaging in behaviors I prefer to discourage; namely, ignoring the substantive thrust of a post to nitpick at a relatively insignificant comment made in the middle whose absence wouldn’t affect the post as a whole. And, as we see here, you made that comment not because it was substantive or seriously detracted from the post, but because it was an ideological matter with which you disagreed with the author. Hence my comment to you: “I found it concern-trolling at worst, and irrelevant at best”.
Because, as Dagon pointed out, using your criteria, the progress is -still- a positive thing. That’s the point of this post. Taking it as an opportunity to try to start an ideological fight is just bad manners.
See, downvotes here don’t mean Less Wrong disagrees with you (although that’s how some people use it, it’s not the cultural standard). Downvotes mean people want to see less of the kind of post/comment that was downvoted.
I honestly don’t give a tinker’s cuss about the intra-movement arguments within EA, and if this is how EA behaves, I’d like to see less of it as a whole. You’re not representing your movement very well.
you made that comment not because it was substantive or seriously detracted from the post, but because it was an ideological matter with which you disagreed with the author
I generally dislike it when people talk about moral views that way, even if they mention views I support. I might be less inclined to call it out in a case where I intuitively strongly agree, but I still do it some of the time. I agree it wasn’t the main point of his post, I never denied that. In fact I wrote that I agree the developments are impressive. By that, I meant the graphs. Since when is it discouraged to point out minor criticism in a post? The fact that I singled out this particular post to make a comment that would maybe fit just as well elsewhere just happens to be a coincidence.
Taking it as an opportunity to try to start an ideological fight is just bad manners.
No one is even talking about arguments or intuition-pumps for or against any of the moral views mentioned. I wasn’t “starting an ideological flight”, I was making meta remark about the way people present moral views. If anything, I’d be starting an ideological fight about my metaethical views and what I consider to be a productive norm of value-related discourse on this site.
Since when is it discouraged to point out minor criticism in a post?
Again, I wasn’t speaking for all of Less Wrong. You’d have to ask the others why they downvoted you, but having committed the major faux pax of complaining about being downvoted, I don’t think they’ll be as receptive at this point.
I discourage anything that relates to pedantry, downvote whenever somebody is making a point, not because the point needs to be heard, but because they need to be heard. There’s some subjectivity to it, of course. But it boils down to “Do I find that this comment adds, or detracts, from the meaningful conversation that can be had?” And I found yours to detract more than it added, for reasons already specified.
There’s also more than a slight smell of identity politics to the way you’re approaching this, particularly in the way you immediately threw yourself into the “Victim” role as soon as you perceived you weren’t being treated with the gravity you expected. That might be an avenue for you to consider. Identity politics don’t go over well here.
See, the issue is that you think the downvotes were because of your views. I can’t speak for other people, but I downvoted you because you were engaging in behaviors I prefer to discourage; namely, ignoring the substantive thrust of a post to nitpick at a relatively insignificant comment made in the middle whose absence wouldn’t affect the post as a whole. And, as we see here, you made that comment not because it was substantive or seriously detracted from the post, but because it was an ideological matter with which you disagreed with the author. Hence my comment to you: “I found it concern-trolling at worst, and irrelevant at best”.
Because, as Dagon pointed out, using your criteria, the progress is -still- a positive thing. That’s the point of this post. Taking it as an opportunity to try to start an ideological fight is just bad manners.
See, downvotes here don’t mean Less Wrong disagrees with you (although that’s how some people use it, it’s not the cultural standard). Downvotes mean people want to see less of the kind of post/comment that was downvoted.
I honestly don’t give a tinker’s cuss about the intra-movement arguments within EA, and if this is how EA behaves, I’d like to see less of it as a whole. You’re not representing your movement very well.
I generally dislike it when people talk about moral views that way, even if they mention views I support. I might be less inclined to call it out in a case where I intuitively strongly agree, but I still do it some of the time. I agree it wasn’t the main point of his post, I never denied that. In fact I wrote that I agree the developments are impressive. By that, I meant the graphs. Since when is it discouraged to point out minor criticism in a post? The fact that I singled out this particular post to make a comment that would maybe fit just as well elsewhere just happens to be a coincidence.
No one is even talking about arguments or intuition-pumps for or against any of the moral views mentioned. I wasn’t “starting an ideological flight”, I was making meta remark about the way people present moral views. If anything, I’d be starting an ideological fight about my metaethical views and what I consider to be a productive norm of value-related discourse on this site.
Again, I wasn’t speaking for all of Less Wrong. You’d have to ask the others why they downvoted you, but having committed the major faux pax of complaining about being downvoted, I don’t think they’ll be as receptive at this point.
I discourage anything that relates to pedantry, downvote whenever somebody is making a point, not because the point needs to be heard, but because they need to be heard. There’s some subjectivity to it, of course. But it boils down to “Do I find that this comment adds, or detracts, from the meaningful conversation that can be had?” And I found yours to detract more than it added, for reasons already specified.
There’s also more than a slight smell of identity politics to the way you’re approaching this, particularly in the way you immediately threw yourself into the “Victim” role as soon as you perceived you weren’t being treated with the gravity you expected. That might be an avenue for you to consider. Identity politics don’t go over well here.