This is just quantitatively riskier, not a notable escalation.
I think this is actually a fairly extreme escalation compared to how states deal with threats, and whether or not you think this is a good policy, it is a very, very important escalation step, and that this is evidence for it being a very extreme escalation:
True as stated, though I’m not aware of examples of this being enforced on non-signatories which are nuclear powers.
Hm, a disagreement I have is that the norms around escalating to nuclear war are way, way stronger than basically any other norm in international relations, and there’s a reason basically all states do their actions through proxies/covert wars, because the taboo on nuclear war is way stronger than a lot of other norms in the international setting.
I agree that it is norms violating for a country to respond to a conventional strike on their datacenter with a nuclear response. This is different from the statement that the conventional strike from the other country is norms violating.
I don’t think conventional strikes on military assets of nuclear power are that norms violating. In fact, recently, a huge number of missiles were launched at a nuclear power. (Iran launched them at Israel which is widely believed to have nukes.)
(I believe the US has never directly launched a strike on a nuclear power within their territory. However, it has indirectly assisted with such strikes in the Russia Ukraine war and participated in proxy wars.)
I think this is a disagreement I have:
I think this is actually a fairly extreme escalation compared to how states deal with threats, and whether or not you think this is a good policy, it is a very, very important escalation step, and that this is evidence for it being a very extreme escalation:
Sorry, I actually meant “not a notable change in norms”. I agree that it is quantiatively much costlier from the perspective of the US.
Hm, a disagreement I have is that the norms around escalating to nuclear war are way, way stronger than basically any other norm in international relations, and there’s a reason basically all states do their actions through proxies/covert wars, because the taboo on nuclear war is way stronger than a lot of other norms in the international setting.
I agree that it is norms violating for a country to respond to a conventional strike on their datacenter with a nuclear response. This is different from the statement that the conventional strike from the other country is norms violating.
I don’t think conventional strikes on military assets of nuclear power are that norms violating. In fact, recently, a huge number of missiles were launched at a nuclear power. (Iran launched them at Israel which is widely believed to have nukes.)
(I believe the US has never directly launched a strike on a nuclear power within their territory. However, it has indirectly assisted with such strikes in the Russia Ukraine war and participated in proxy wars.)
Yes, I was solely referring to nuclear strikes.