I read it. I downvoted it¹ because it seems pretty nonsensical to me, in more than a few ways; I won’t go into that, though - see my previous comment.
The ideas that humans are special and animals thus have no souls & that this “is the best of all possible words” are morally repugnant to me, too. I would have mentally quadruple-downvoted you except for your idea about God reversing evil computations… so it’s only a mental triple-downvote. :p
¹I didn’t actually downvote it, because it was already at −5 when I saw it, and I want some discussion to come out of it. I think it deserves those downvotes, though.
I didn’t actually downvote it, because it was already at −5 when I saw it, and I want some discussion to come out of it.
I am surprised people say they think this way.
As I say below, attraction to isn’t necessarily the same as likeliness of approval.
“Comment score below threshold/+60 children” is practically salacious. “20 points”, less so.
I suspect that in this case others are not different than I, and I have succeeded at introspection on this point where others have not. I still think it very possible that isn’t true. This might be a first for me, as almost always when others express an opinion like this that differs from mine in this sort of way, I think the best explanation is that they think differently, and I have been wrong to not account for that.
I am surprised that people say they are more likely to read a comment voted to “20 points” than one voted to “Comment score below threshold/+60 children”. Several people have claimed something like this when justifying upvoting the walloftext post or not downvoting the walloftext post. They expressed a desire for others to read it as justifying that despite disapproval of the contents or presentation.
I would have expected people to be more attracted to comments labeled “Comment score below threshold/+60 children” than “20 points” (or zero), and to also believe and say “I am more attracted to comments labeled ‘Comment score below threshold/+60 children’ than ’20 points’ (or zero)”.
The divergence in intuition here feels similar to other instances in which people expressed a different opinion than mine in which I was surprised. For example, when a girl is and says she is offended by the suggestion of a certain activity for a date, when that activity as free, as it indicates my stinginess. In this case, I register the different way of thinking as genuine, and my anticipations, my map of the world, failed in two respects: my anticipation of her reaction to the free thing and her verbal response. It would certainly possible for someone to have a similar reaction as a feeling they can’t quite verbalize, or alternatively, to not feel disapproval of me but say the words because it is the cached thing to say among people in her circles.
That is not a perfect example but I hope it suffices, my failures have almost always been two-level.
In this case, I actually think that people saying “I/people in general (as implicitly extrapolated from myself) am more likely to read a post voted −2 than “Comment score below threshold/+60 children” are wrong.
I, of course am wrong as well by my account, as I had not mapped their maps well at all. I had expected them to say that they behave in a certain way, and that that way is how they actually behave, and that that was is to seek the contentious, inciting, heavily commented downvotes. I am wrong at least insofar as so many seem to think they don’t. Wrong wrong wrong.
That said, are they in fact correct when they predict how the LW majority chooses what to view? Note I am predicting that most people are extrapolating from their own behavior, I certainly am. It may be that individuals saying they think the majority of LW acts this way are thinking this by extrapolating from themselves, and they may or may not be right about themselves; I suspect many who say this of themselves are right and many who say this of themselves are wrong.
That’s completely fair. I just don’t like when I make a long comment and it gets downvoted before I can click on the Will_Newsome link, ha. In retrospect I shouldn’t have said anything.
I read it. I downvoted it¹ because it seems pretty nonsensical to me, in more than a few ways; I won’t go into that, though - see my previous comment.
The ideas that humans are special and animals thus have no souls & that this “is the best of all possible words” are morally repugnant to me, too. I would have mentally quadruple-downvoted you except for your idea about God reversing evil computations… so it’s only a mental triple-downvote. :p
¹I didn’t actually downvote it, because it was already at −5 when I saw it, and I want some discussion to come out of it. I think it deserves those downvotes, though.
I am surprised people say they think this way.
As I say below, attraction to isn’t necessarily the same as likeliness of approval.
“Comment score below threshold/+60 children” is practically salacious. “20 points”, less so.
I suspect that in this case others are not different than I, and I have succeeded at introspection on this point where others have not. I still think it very possible that isn’t true. This might be a first for me, as almost always when others express an opinion like this that differs from mine in this sort of way, I think the best explanation is that they think differently, and I have been wrong to not account for that.
I’m afraid I don’t understand this. “Think this way”—what way would that be, exactly?
I am surprised that people say they are more likely to read a comment voted to “20 points” than one voted to “Comment score below threshold/+60 children”. Several people have claimed something like this when justifying upvoting the walloftext post or not downvoting the walloftext post. They expressed a desire for others to read it as justifying that despite disapproval of the contents or presentation.
I would have expected people to be more attracted to comments labeled “Comment score below threshold/+60 children” than “20 points” (or zero), and to also believe and say “I am more attracted to comments labeled ‘Comment score below threshold/+60 children’ than ’20 points’ (or zero)”.
The divergence in intuition here feels similar to other instances in which people expressed a different opinion than mine in which I was surprised. For example, when a girl is and says she is offended by the suggestion of a certain activity for a date, when that activity as free, as it indicates my stinginess. In this case, I register the different way of thinking as genuine, and my anticipations, my map of the world, failed in two respects: my anticipation of her reaction to the free thing and her verbal response. It would certainly possible for someone to have a similar reaction as a feeling they can’t quite verbalize, or alternatively, to not feel disapproval of me but say the words because it is the cached thing to say among people in her circles.
That is not a perfect example but I hope it suffices, my failures have almost always been two-level.
In this case, I actually think that people saying “I/people in general (as implicitly extrapolated from myself) am more likely to read a post voted −2 than “Comment score below threshold/+60 children” are wrong.
I, of course am wrong as well by my account, as I had not mapped their maps well at all. I had expected them to say that they behave in a certain way, and that that way is how they actually behave, and that that was is to seek the contentious, inciting, heavily commented downvotes. I am wrong at least insofar as so many seem to think they don’t. Wrong wrong wrong.
That said, are they in fact correct when they predict how the LW majority chooses what to view? Note I am predicting that most people are extrapolating from their own behavior, I certainly am. It may be that individuals saying they think the majority of LW acts this way are thinking this by extrapolating from themselves, and they may or may not be right about themselves; I suspect many who say this of themselves are right and many who say this of themselves are wrong.
That’s completely fair. I just don’t like when I make a long comment and it gets downvoted before I can click on the Will_Newsome link, ha. In retrospect I shouldn’t have said anything.