Suppose someone who reliably does not generate common obviously wrong ideas/arguments has an uncommon idea that is wrong in a way that is non-obvious, but that you could explain if the wrong idea itself were precisely explained to you. But this person does not precisely explain their idea, but instead vaguely points to it with a description that sounds very much like a common obviously wrong idea. So you try to apply charity and fill in the gaps to figure out what they are really saying, but even if you do find the idea that they had in mind, you wouldn’t identify as such, because you see how that idea is wrong, and being charitable, you can’t interpret what they said in that way. How could you figure out what this person is talking about?
How could you figure out what this person is talking about?
You’d have to be speaking their language in the first place. That’s why I wrote about intended audiences. But it seems that at my current level of vagueness my intended audience doesn’t exist. I’ll either have to get more precise or stop posting stuff that appears to be nonsense.
You’d have to be speaking their language in the first place. That’s why I wrote about intended audiences. But it seems that at my current level of vagueness my intended audience doesn’t exist.
Sometimes it is impossible to reach an intended audience when the not-intended audience is using you as a punching bag to impress their intended audience. Most of debate in conventional practice is, after all, about trying to spin what the other person says to make them look bad. If your ‘intended audience’ then chose to engage with you at the level you were hoping to converse they risk being collaterally damaged in the social bombardment.
For my part I reached the conclusion that you are probably using a different conception of ‘morality’, analogous to the slightly different conception of ‘theism’ from your recent thread. This is dangerous because in group signalling incentives are such that people will be predictably inclined to ignore the novelty in your thoughts and target the nearest known stupid thing to what you say. And you must admit: you made it easy for them this time!
It may be worth reconsidering the point you are trying to discuss a little more carefully, and perhaps avoiding the use of the term ‘morality’. You could then make a post on the subject such that some people can understand your intended meaning and have useful conversation without risking losing face. It will not work with everyone, there are certain people you will just have to ignore. But you should get some useful discussion out of it. I note, for example, that while your ‘theism’ discussion got early downvotes by the most (to put it politely) passionate voters it ended up creeping up to positive.
As for guessing what sane things you may be trying to talk about I basically reached the conclusion “Either what you are getting at boils down to the outcome of acausal trade or it is stupid”. And acausal trade is something that I can not claim to be certain about.
Suppose someone who reliably does not generate common obviously wrong ideas/arguments has an uncommon idea that is wrong in a way that is non-obvious, but that you could explain if the wrong idea itself were precisely explained to you. But this person does not precisely explain their idea, but instead vaguely points to it with a description that sounds very much like a common obviously wrong idea. So you try to apply charity and fill in the gaps to figure out what they are really saying, but even if you do find the idea that they had in mind, you wouldn’t identify as such, because you see how that idea is wrong, and being charitable, you can’t interpret what they said in that way. How could you figure out what this person is talking about?
You’d have to be speaking their language in the first place. That’s why I wrote about intended audiences. But it seems that at my current level of vagueness my intended audience doesn’t exist. I’ll either have to get more precise or stop posting stuff that appears to be nonsense.
Sometimes it is impossible to reach an intended audience when the not-intended audience is using you as a punching bag to impress their intended audience. Most of debate in conventional practice is, after all, about trying to spin what the other person says to make them look bad. If your ‘intended audience’ then chose to engage with you at the level you were hoping to converse they risk being collaterally damaged in the social bombardment.
For my part I reached the conclusion that you are probably using a different conception of ‘morality’, analogous to the slightly different conception of ‘theism’ from your recent thread. This is dangerous because in group signalling incentives are such that people will be predictably inclined to ignore the novelty in your thoughts and target the nearest known stupid thing to what you say. And you must admit: you made it easy for them this time!
It may be worth reconsidering the point you are trying to discuss a little more carefully, and perhaps avoiding the use of the term ‘morality’. You could then make a post on the subject such that some people can understand your intended meaning and have useful conversation without risking losing face. It will not work with everyone, there are certain people you will just have to ignore. But you should get some useful discussion out of it. I note, for example, that while your ‘theism’ discussion got early downvotes by the most (to put it politely) passionate voters it ended up creeping up to positive.
As for guessing what sane things you may be trying to talk about I basically reached the conclusion “Either what you are getting at boils down to the outcome of acausal trade or it is stupid”. And acausal trade is something that I can not claim to be certain about.