They basically stopped short of calling the scientific method a cultural construct
I had this problem recently too, and my solution was to not mention “science” in and of itself, but mention heuristics based on probability. It’s much harder to argue that math is a social construct. If you can explain how biases fail using probability theory it might go over a lot better.
I think speaking in terms of probabilities also clears up a lot of epistemological confusion. “Magical” thinkers tend to believe that a lack of absolute certainty is more or less equivalent to total uncertainty (I know I did). At the same time, they’ll understand that a 50% chance is not a 99% chance even though neither of them is 100% certain. It might also be helpful to point out all the things they are intuitively very certain of (that the sun will rise, that the floor will not cave in, that the carrot they put in their mouth will taste like carrots always do) but don’t have absolute certainty of. I think it’s important to make clear that you agree with them that we don’t have absolute certainty of anything and instead shift the focus toward whether absolute certainty is really necessary in order to make decisions or claim that we “know” things.
Not just magical thinkers. I heard Massimo Pigliucci making the same “this isn’t definitive and therefore it tells us nothing” argument on the most recent Rationally Speaking podcast.
You’re right. I think scientific thinkers can sometimes misinterpret skepticism as meaning that nothing short of peer-reviewed, well-executed experiments can be considered evidence. I think sometimes anecdotal evidence is worth taking seriously. It isn’t the best kind of evidence, but it falls above 0 on the continuum.
I had this problem recently too, and my solution was to not mention “science” in and of itself, but mention heuristics based on probability. It’s much harder to argue that math is a social construct. If you can explain how biases fail using probability theory it might go over a lot better.
I think speaking in terms of probabilities also clears up a lot of epistemological confusion. “Magical” thinkers tend to believe that a lack of absolute certainty is more or less equivalent to total uncertainty (I know I did). At the same time, they’ll understand that a 50% chance is not a 99% chance even though neither of them is 100% certain. It might also be helpful to point out all the things they are intuitively very certain of (that the sun will rise, that the floor will not cave in, that the carrot they put in their mouth will taste like carrots always do) but don’t have absolute certainty of. I think it’s important to make clear that you agree with them that we don’t have absolute certainty of anything and instead shift the focus toward whether absolute certainty is really necessary in order to make decisions or claim that we “know” things.
Not just magical thinkers. I heard Massimo Pigliucci making the same “this isn’t definitive and therefore it tells us nothing” argument on the most recent Rationally Speaking podcast.
You’re right. I think scientific thinkers can sometimes misinterpret skepticism as meaning that nothing short of peer-reviewed, well-executed experiments can be considered evidence. I think sometimes anecdotal evidence is worth taking seriously. It isn’t the best kind of evidence, but it falls above 0 on the continuum.