I think that you are profoundly mistaken about the attitudes and dispositions of the vast majority here. You appear to be new, so that’s understandable. As you look around, though, you’ll find a wide array of opinions on the limits of causal decision theory, the aptness of utility functions for describing or prescribing human action, and other topics you assume must be dogma for a community calling itself ‘rationalist’. You might even experience the uncomfortable realization that other people already agree with some of the brilliant revelations about rationality that you’ve derived.
I was an avid visitor of Overcoming Bias, but yes I am new to Less Wrong. I had assumed that the general feel of this place would be similar to Overcoming Bias—much of which was very dogmatic, although there were a few notable voices of dissent (several of whom were censored and even banned).
You might even experience the uncomfortable realization that other people already agree with some of the brilliant revelations about rationality that you’ve derived.
Obviously. But there wouldn’t be a point to my lecturing them, now would there? No, conchis made the canonical argument and I responded. And if you weren’t so uncomfortable with my dissent you might have left a real response, instead of this patronizing and sarcastic analysis.
That’s the problem with the internet: “I’m witty and incisive, you’re sarcastic and sanctimonious”. I’ll admit the tenor of my last sentence was out of line; but I stand by the assertion that your psychoanalysis of this group is well off the mark.
Also, what exactly is so awful about a group norm of playing certain games seriously even when for zero stakes, in order to gather interesting information about the group dynamics of aspiring rationalists?
“I’m witty and incisive, you’re sarcastic and sanctimonious”
Pretty much nails it. pswoo’s initial comment was fairly patronizing itself, so it seems a bit rich to criticise you (orthonormal) for playing along. But whatever.
By way of substantive response. Um, yeah. So, patronizing bits aside, I agree with much of your (pswoo’s) comment. I just don’t think it was especially relevant to the particular conversation you (pswoo) intervened in, which was about the validity of the standard argument rather than its soundness.
I think that you are profoundly mistaken about the attitudes and dispositions of the vast majority here. You appear to be new, so that’s understandable. As you look around, though, you’ll find a wide array of opinions on the limits of causal decision theory, the aptness of utility functions for describing or prescribing human action, and other topics you assume must be dogma for a community calling itself ‘rationalist’. You might even experience the uncomfortable realization that other people already agree with some of the brilliant revelations about rationality that you’ve derived.
I was an avid visitor of Overcoming Bias, but yes I am new to Less Wrong. I had assumed that the general feel of this place would be similar to Overcoming Bias—much of which was very dogmatic, although there were a few notable voices of dissent (several of whom were censored and even banned).
Obviously. But there wouldn’t be a point to my lecturing them, now would there? No, conchis made the canonical argument and I responded. And if you weren’t so uncomfortable with my dissent you might have left a real response, instead of this patronizing and sarcastic analysis.
That’s the problem with the internet: “I’m witty and incisive, you’re sarcastic and sanctimonious”. I’ll admit the tenor of my last sentence was out of line; but I stand by the assertion that your psychoanalysis of this group is well off the mark.
Also, what exactly is so awful about a group norm of playing certain games seriously even when for zero stakes, in order to gather interesting information about the group dynamics of aspiring rationalists?
Pretty much nails it. pswoo’s initial comment was fairly patronizing itself, so it seems a bit rich to criticise you (orthonormal) for playing along. But whatever.
By way of substantive response. Um, yeah. So, patronizing bits aside, I agree with much of your (pswoo’s) comment. I just don’t think it was especially relevant to the particular conversation you (pswoo) intervened in, which was about the validity of the standard argument rather than its soundness.