It is. The response to your question “So if you take the Left box, what actually, physically happens?” is “Physically, nothing.” That’s why I defined logical causality—it helps understand why (1) is the algorithm with the best expected utility, and why yours is worse.
Do you see how that makes absolutely no sense as an answer to the question I asked? Like, do you see what makes what you said incomprehensible, what makes it appear to be nonsense? I’m not asking you to admit that it’s nonsense, but can you see why it reads as bizarre moon logic?
I’m no longer sure; you and green_leaf appear to have different, contradictory views, and at this point that divergence has confused me enough that I could no longer say confidently what either of you seem to be saying without going back and carefully re-reading all the comments. And that, I’m afraid, isn’t something that I have time for at the moment… so perhaps it’s best to write this discussion off, after all.
It doesn’t seem coherent if you don’t understand logical causality.
There is nothing incoherent about both of these being true:
You Left-box under all circumstances (even if there is a bomb in the box)
The expected utility of executing this algorithm is 0 (the best possible)
These two statements can both be true at the same time, and (1) implies (2).
None of that is responsive to the question I actually asked.
It is. The response to your question “So if you take the Left box, what actually, physically happens?” is “Physically, nothing.” That’s why I defined logical causality—it helps understand why (1) is the algorithm with the best expected utility, and why yours is worse.
What do you mean by “Physically, nothing.”? There’s a bomb in there—does it somehow fail to explode? How?
It fails to have ever been there.
Do you see how that makes absolutely no sense as an answer to the question I asked? Like, do you see what makes what you said incomprehensible, what makes it appear to be nonsense? I’m not asking you to admit that it’s nonsense, but can you see why it reads as bizarre moon logic?
I can, although I indeed don’t think it is nonsense.
What do you think our (or specifically my) viewpoint is?
I’m no longer sure; you and green_leaf appear to have different, contradictory views, and at this point that divergence has confused me enough that I could no longer say confidently what either of you seem to be saying without going back and carefully re-reading all the comments. And that, I’m afraid, isn’t something that I have time for at the moment… so perhaps it’s best to write this discussion off, after all.
Of course! Thanks for your time.
You’re still neglecting the other kind of causality, so “nothing” makes no sense to you (since something clearly happens).
I’m tapping out, since I don’t see you putting any effort into understanding this topic.