I reject and condemn the bland, unhelpful names “System 1” and “System 2″. I just heard Micheal Morris, who was a friend of Kahneman and Tversky, saying in his econtalk interview that he just calls them “Intuition” and “Reason”.
I generally think non-descriptive names are overused, but this isn’t the worst of it because at least it’s easy to tell which is which (1 comes before 2). Intuition/Reason aren’t a perfect replacement since the words are entangled with other stuff.
Important things often go the other way too. 2 comes before 1 when a person is consciously developing their being, consider athletes or actors, situations where a person has to alter the way they perceive or the automatic responses they have to situations.
I prefer system 1: fast thinking or quick judgement
Vs
System 2 : slow thinking
I guess it depends on where you live and who you interact with and what background they have because fast vs slow covers the inferential distance fastest for me avoids the spirituality intuition woo woo landmine, avoids the part where you highlight a trivial thing to their vocab called “reason” etc
“Unconscious” is more about whether you (the part that I can talk to) can see it (or remember it) or not. Sometimes slow, deliberative reasoning occurs unconsciously. You might think it doesn’t, but that’s just because you can’t see it.
And sometimes snap judgements happen with a high degree of conscious awareness, they’re still difficult to unpack, to articulate or validate, but the subject knows what happened.
Oh this is amazing. I can never keep the two apart cause of the horrible naming. I think I’m just going to ask people if they mean intuition or reason from now on.
To the best of my ability to recall, I never recognize which is which except by context, which makes it needlessly difficult sometimes. Personally I would go for ‘subconscious’ vs ‘conscious’ or ‘associative’ vs ‘deliberative’ (the latter pair due to how I think the subconscious works), but ‘intuition’ vs ‘reason’ makes sense too. In general, I believe far too many things are given unhelpful names.
I reject and condemn the bland, unhelpful names “System 1” and “System 2″.
I just heard Micheal Morris, who was a friend of Kahneman and Tversky, saying in his econtalk interview that he just calls them “Intuition” and “Reason”.
Agreed, and I say the same of Errors of Types I and II, where false positive/negative are much better.
I generally think non-descriptive names are overused, but this isn’t the worst of it because at least it’s easy to tell which is which (1 comes before 2). Intuition/Reason aren’t a perfect replacement since the words are entangled with other stuff.
Important things often go the other way too. 2 comes before 1 when a person is consciously developing their being, consider athletes or actors, situations where a person has to alter the way they perceive or the automatic responses they have to situations.
Also, you can apply heuristics to ideas.
Disagree, but I sympathise with your position.
The “System 1/2” terminology ensures that your listener understands that you are referring to a specific concept as defined by Kahneman.
I took a university class that based the names of the Veritasium video. Drew and Gun. They rhyme with system 1&2.
I prefer system 1: fast thinking or quick judgement
Vs
System 2 : slow thinking
I guess it depends on where you live and who you interact with and what background they have because fast vs slow covers the inferential distance fastest for me avoids the spirituality intuition woo woo landmine, avoids the part where you highlight a trivial thing to their vocab called “reason” etc
What about “the Unconscious” vs. “Deliberation”?
“Unconscious” is more about whether you (the part that I can talk to) can see it (or remember it) or not. Sometimes slow, deliberative reasoning occurs unconsciously. You might think it doesn’t, but that’s just because you can’t see it.
And sometimes snap judgements happen with a high degree of conscious awareness, they’re still difficult to unpack, to articulate or validate, but the subject knows what happened.
Or “unconscious thought” and “conscious thought”?
Oh this is amazing. I can never keep the two apart cause of the horrible naming. I think I’m just going to ask people if they mean intuition or reason from now on.
To the best of my ability to recall, I never recognize which is which except by context, which makes it needlessly difficult sometimes. Personally I would go for ‘subconscious’ vs ‘conscious’ or ‘associative’ vs ‘deliberative’ (the latter pair due to how I think the subconscious works), but ‘intuition’ vs ‘reason’ makes sense too. In general, I believe far too many things are given unhelpful names.