Correct. It’s not clear which long-term equilibria are likely. Early evidence of mutations ( https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3080771/coronavirus-mutations-affect-deadliness-strains-chinese-study ) could help or hinder some of these—if mutations are common and large enough to make previous antibodies ineffective, the immunity and immunization ones get tougher. If mutations change the lethality, but not the immune response effectiveness, then the pervasive low-level infection of less-lethal variants become more possible.
I will bet a lot against full-time serious mask (well-fitted N95 or better) use for a majority of people for more than a few months.
I’d have won my bet on a technicality—I see almost zero proper use of quality masks, though pretty pervasive mask theater. Seems prior infection is slightly less long-term effective than hoped, and vaccination about as expected.
We’re closest to equilibrium #1+2 (vaccines fairly effective at preventing serious problems, but not at eliminating the virus entirely), but we haven’t seen a variant that really tests our responsiveness, so I’d argue it’s not a long-term equilibrium yet. Nobody talks about herd immunity any longer, as far as I can tell.
The vaccine does not prevent the transmission (to my best knowledge, for both Delta and Omicron; I am not anti-vaccine). A simple calculation suggests that the linear contribution (reduce the death rate, etc.) provided by the vaccines was dominated by the exponential contribution of increasing R0 of the Omicron. It looks like the only equilibrium is still universal N95/other PPE, in theory.
I wonder if we mean different things by the word “equilibrium”. I think it means a somewhat stable outcome as a balance of opposing forces. Universal proper masks isn’t happening and isn’t sustainable (people hate it), so will never be an equilibrium.
Vaccines that bring individual risk down to tolerable levels, and some amount of NPI theater, so that the disease continues to infect people but most people aren’t severely harmed could be a possible equilibrium, but I don’t think it’s been going on very widely for long enough to call it one yet.
I understood that there would be strongly against toward serious respirator. A picture of kids wearing scary respirator is kind of unthinkable to me. However, it is the only equilibrium point that I did not see any scientific uncertainties.
Besides the theoretical consideration, in reality, mine workers had used respirators to protect their lung for years.
Herd immunity may not be reachable since we did not know how long the immune effects could last for infected people.
Correct. It’s not clear which long-term equilibria are likely. Early evidence of mutations ( https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3080771/coronavirus-mutations-affect-deadliness-strains-chinese-study ) could help or hinder some of these—if mutations are common and large enough to make previous antibodies ineffective, the immunity and immunization ones get tougher. If mutations change the lethality, but not the immune response effectiveness, then the pervasive low-level infection of less-lethal variants become more possible.
I will bet a lot against full-time serious mask (well-fitted N95 or better) use for a majority of people for more than a few months.
Do you have any new thoughts after two years?
I’d have won my bet on a technicality—I see almost zero proper use of quality masks, though pretty pervasive mask theater. Seems prior infection is slightly less long-term effective than hoped, and vaccination about as expected.
We’re closest to equilibrium #1+2 (vaccines fairly effective at preventing serious problems, but not at eliminating the virus entirely), but we haven’t seen a variant that really tests our responsiveness, so I’d argue it’s not a long-term equilibrium yet. Nobody talks about herd immunity any longer, as far as I can tell.
The vaccine does not prevent the transmission (to my best knowledge, for both Delta and Omicron; I am not anti-vaccine). A simple calculation suggests that the linear contribution (reduce the death rate, etc.) provided by the vaccines was dominated by the exponential contribution of increasing R0 of the Omicron. It looks like the only equilibrium is still universal N95/other PPE, in theory.
I wonder if we mean different things by the word “equilibrium”. I think it means a somewhat stable outcome as a balance of opposing forces. Universal proper masks isn’t happening and isn’t sustainable (people hate it), so will never be an equilibrium.
Vaccines that bring individual risk down to tolerable levels, and some amount of NPI theater, so that the disease continues to infect people but most people aren’t severely harmed could be a possible equilibrium, but I don’t think it’s been going on very widely for long enough to call it one yet.
I understood that there would be strongly against toward serious respirator. A picture of kids wearing scary respirator is kind of unthinkable to me. However, it is the only equilibrium point that I did not see any scientific uncertainties.
Besides the theoretical consideration, in reality, mine workers had used respirators to protect their lung for years.
Any new thoughts? It seems that the mutation of RNA is too fast.