A lot of things have you confused the territory being the map.
For example, that you exist, is a map.
That there is a being there, creature of some kind, it’s a map.
That you have a brain.
Every. Single. Word. Is A Map.
What is the territory?
Become silent of all thoughts, without using thoughts to manipulate or lie, neither using thoughts not to manipulate or lie.
You think you are in control, thus the flow of life doesn’t flow effortlessly. :)
But it’s fine to let go, and be present in this moment, where there, you are, the territory, which is arational.
There will be no reason for reasoning or understanding, it is arational.
It is always the case, whether you think about it or not. I can welcome you in to see for yourself, there’s a lot of beauty to be had.
Please don’t be dogmatic. Try and see for yourself the possible truth which is right before your eyes, the possible truth that you do not exist, that you, and the possibility that everything else is a fiction. The fiction of the mind.
But you will still be to function, to be able to go to AI conferences and talk about the latest improvements, or talk decision theory or whatever else you have going on in your life. Because the belief that you will lose these things, by becoming more aware, is a trick of the ego. It’s highly improbable.
So go ahead, and see for yourself. Likely though you need to work on yourself, there’s nothing which is more important than the machine which does not come with an instruction manual. That is you. What you think is you. What I mean is the practical you.
First, you should probably read the documents we refer to as the Sequences before you try to “correct” us.
Second,
A lot of things have you confused the territory being the map.
For example, that you exist, is a map.
That there is a being there, creature of some kind, it’s a map.
That you have a brain.
Every. Single. Word. Is A Map.
We all know this.
What is the territory?
Become silent of all thoughts, without using thoughts to manipulate or lie, neither using thoughts not to manipulate or lie.
You seem to be referring to meditative states. A lot of us do this, for various reasons. It really has little to do with rationality or arationality. Quieting down and dissociating from one’s thoughts certainly helps with clear thinking.
You think you are in control, thus the flow of life doesn’t flow effortlessly. :)
We mostly don’t believe in free will.
But it’s fine to let go, and be present in this moment, where there, you are, the territory, which is arational.
There will be no reason for reasoning or understanding, it is arational.
Just because you’re in a meditative state of thoughtlessness doesn’t mean that you’re doing anything beyond engaging with yet another set of maps. You’re just engaging with them nonverbally and intuitively.
It is always the case, whether you think about it or not. I can welcome you in to see for yourself, there’s a lot of beauty to be had.
Again, lots of us meditate, and we’re all about beauty. Not sure where you’re getting this perspective.
Please don’t be dogmatic. Try and see for yourself the possible truth which is right before your eyes, the possible truth that you do not exist, that you, and the possibility that everything else is a fiction. The fiction of the mind.
But you will still be to function, to be able to go to AI conferences and talk about the latest improvements, or talk decision theory or whatever else you have going on in your life. Because the belief that you will lose these things, by becoming more aware, is a trick of the ego. It’s highly improbable.
So go ahead, and see for yourself. Likely though you need to work on yourself, there’s nothing which is more important than the machine which does not come with an instruction manual. That is you. What you think is you. What I mean is the practical you.
I see buried in here a sales pitch for engaging in some kind of meditative or mindfulness practice. I admit that the foundational documents of Less Wrong don’t explicitly advocate for taking up meditation, but it’s a popular community topic.
First, you should probably read the documents we refer to as the Sequences before you try to “correct” us.
There’s plenty of others who disagree with you, I think, based on my experience writing with others here.
We all know this.
Yet a lot don’t really know it, by that I mean actually experiencing. (no absolute truth I get it, but let’s not make maps without understanding that we are)
You seem to be referring to meditative states. A lot of us do this, for various reasons. It really has little to do with rationality or arationality. Quieting down and dissociating from one’s thoughts certainly helps with clear thinking.
The meditative state is always the case, of course, we may practice meditation more intensely. Not being attached to thoughts is baseline in my opinion, if it can be done for oneself.
Just because you’re in a meditative state of thoughtlessness doesn’t mean that you’re doing anything beyond engaging with yet another set of maps.
That’s not correct during the meditative state? The state can be constant.
Again, lots of us meditate, and we’re all about beauty. Not sure where you’re getting this perspective.
I’m sure that’s likely, but there can be a lot more to meditation we think, trying to understand who we truly are and what is actually more likely to be the truth?
I see buried in here a sales pitch for engaging in some kind of meditative or mindfulness practice. I admit that the foundational documents of Less Wrong don’t explicitly advocate for taking up meditation, but it’s a popular community topic.
It’s increasing awareness so we can less be attached to the map of our maps and so forth. It’s like a layer on top of it all in my opinion, while simply being as it is.
Dude, we already know that rationality is inside the mind. Reality (“the thing that doesn’t go away when you stop believing it”) doesn’t have to play by any rules. But it does. It’s a fact that our puny brains are Turing complete, and that reality is very regular in such a way to be computable. Heck, in such a way to be linear, at a fundamental level! This must be a sort of joke from the Gods or the Architects of the Matrix. I think the one who is not accepting that reality can be described by rationality is you.
Dude, we already know that rationality is inside the mind. Reality (“the thing that doesn’t go away when you stop believing it”) doesn’t have to play by any rules.
I get this moment you’re having, it’s obvious when we talk about a brand new science, that is neuroscience. Even if there are a lot of work still left. In relation to you, that is still a map, that you have a mind. Okay, now I might be playing on definitions if “mind” doesn’t mean arational reality to you.
But it does. It’s a fact that our puny brains are Turing complete, and that reality is very regular in such a way to be computable. Heck, in such a way to be linear, at a fundamental level!dea
That’s your opinion. That’s your map.
This must be a sort of joke from the Gods or the Architects of the Matrix.
A cosmic joke :D Really, though, you are the God, the Architect of the Matrix.
I think the one who is not accepting that reality can be described by rationality is you.
I fully agree. I do argue that reality cannot be described by anything, as it is arational. But of course you have to see for yourself.
No, that’s quantum physics 101. Unless you’re saying one of two things: 1) law of physics change for people who have different maps 2) you’re just calling reality “maps that can’t change”, in which case there’s no point in having this conversation.
Really, though, you are the God, the Architect of the Matrix.
If that’s true, why isn’t Liza sucking my c@{k right now? It’s my Matrix, after all.
I fully agree. I do argue that reality cannot be described by anything, as it is arational.
So how do you call those parts of the maps that agree on each other and are independent from individual minds?
1) law of physics change for people who have different maps
I’m saying laws of physics is a map. Our reality is arational and exists without reasoning or understanding. Sure your map may be more accurate than other maps, but it’s never the territory as it’s a human projection.
2) you’re just calling reality “maps that can’t change”, in which case there’s no point in having this conversation.
No, of course, you can change maps. But it’ll always be a map. “It’s a map and it’ll never be the territory, as it is a map”
If that’s true, why isn’t Liza sucking my c@{k right now? It’s my Matrix, after all.
If you silence all thoughts, you experience arational reality. But the moment a thought appears, you have a map, if you didn’t silence all thoughts, you created a map. If you believe you are experiencing arational reality, you are not, as you created a map of the memory of experiencing arational reality. Within a snap of a finger you may become present, and each snap of the day you are either aware or not.
Thoughts and all senses are the matrix of which you base everything, thus you are the Architect, the projector. But it’s not normal to be God.
Just because it is your matrix, doesn’t mean that you are in control. Because the thought of you is a part of your matrix, so is the illusion of control, and everything else.
So how do you call those parts of the maps that agree on each other and are independent from individual minds?
Maps that agree on each other, will always be maps. L a n g u a g e i s a m a p. Some maps may have higher expected value in relation to maps which are perceived to have low. But they never break the illusion of being a map itself.
Maps can’t ever be independent of maps, that’s the illusion of one map being the territory. Some might say it is more likely that something is the territory, but I disagree since you can become aware what is the territory in the present moment and it is arational.
I don’t know, I’m not a physicist. Based on my limited knowledge is that you cannot change the map. Imagine everything in the world being a map called X, and it has a revision number. Just because you know the maps are X and have a revision number doesn’t undermine the content of the maps themselves. Your life experience might become different, however.
Who is then?
For there to be control, there has to first be someone or something which can be controlled and a controller. All is illusionary. You can create maps, but they will still be maps in relation to the arational.
And why do you call it my Matrix, since I cannot affect it in any way?
I’m telling you in a practical sense since you have to have the experience yourself. You believe you are a creature, being of some kind. You can affect your matrix, by realizing it is a matrix, it’s kind of paradoxical.
At last, I’ve finally found something that you cannot change. Well then, just call this “reality” and discard everything we’ve said so far.
But if you are creating these maps at every given moment, isn’t the maps changing depending on you? :D
Yeah, call me when someone learns to affect the map.
Can we call it your perception of the map? Because that’s all there really is, that’s why it’s a map. Nothing exists which isn’t in your present moment, except as maps.
A lot of things have you confused the territory being the map.
For example, that you exist, is a map.
That there is a being there, creature of some kind, it’s a map.
That you have a brain.
Every. Single. Word. Is A Map.
What is the territory?
Become silent of all thoughts, without using thoughts to manipulate or lie, neither using thoughts not to manipulate or lie.
You think you are in control, thus the flow of life doesn’t flow effortlessly. :)
But it’s fine to let go, and be present in this moment, where there, you are, the territory, which is arational.
There will be no reason for reasoning or understanding, it is arational.
It is always the case, whether you think about it or not. I can welcome you in to see for yourself, there’s a lot of beauty to be had.
Please don’t be dogmatic. Try and see for yourself the possible truth which is right before your eyes, the possible truth that you do not exist, that you, and the possibility that everything else is a fiction. The fiction of the mind.
But you will still be to function, to be able to go to AI conferences and talk about the latest improvements, or talk decision theory or whatever else you have going on in your life. Because the belief that you will lose these things, by becoming more aware, is a trick of the ego. It’s highly improbable.
So go ahead, and see for yourself. Likely though you need to work on yourself, there’s nothing which is more important than the machine which does not come with an instruction manual. That is you. What you think is you. What I mean is the practical you.
You do realize that all of these ideas are in fact part of the foundation documents of this community?
I highly doubt so from my experience, although I can see why it should be. It’s so obvious that it is not obvious. Maybe.
First, you should probably read the documents we refer to as the Sequences before you try to “correct” us.
Second,
We all know this.
You seem to be referring to meditative states. A lot of us do this, for various reasons. It really has little to do with rationality or arationality. Quieting down and dissociating from one’s thoughts certainly helps with clear thinking.
We mostly don’t believe in free will.
Just because you’re in a meditative state of thoughtlessness doesn’t mean that you’re doing anything beyond engaging with yet another set of maps. You’re just engaging with them nonverbally and intuitively.
Again, lots of us meditate, and we’re all about beauty. Not sure where you’re getting this perspective.
I see buried in here a sales pitch for engaging in some kind of meditative or mindfulness practice. I admit that the foundational documents of Less Wrong don’t explicitly advocate for taking up meditation, but it’s a popular community topic.
There’s plenty of others who disagree with you, I think, based on my experience writing with others here.
Yet a lot don’t really know it, by that I mean actually experiencing. (no absolute truth I get it, but let’s not make maps without understanding that we are)
The meditative state is always the case, of course, we may practice meditation more intensely. Not being attached to thoughts is baseline in my opinion, if it can be done for oneself.
That’s not correct during the meditative state? The state can be constant.
I’m sure that’s likely, but there can be a lot more to meditation we think, trying to understand who we truly are and what is actually more likely to be the truth?
It’s increasing awareness so we can less be attached to the map of our maps and so forth. It’s like a layer on top of it all in my opinion, while simply being as it is.
Dude, we already know that rationality is inside the mind. Reality (“the thing that doesn’t go away when you stop believing it”) doesn’t have to play by any rules.
But it does. It’s a fact that our puny brains are Turing complete, and that reality is very regular in such a way to be computable. Heck, in such a way to be linear, at a fundamental level! This must be a sort of joke from the Gods or the Architects of the Matrix.
I think the one who is not accepting that reality can be described by rationality is you.
I get this moment you’re having, it’s obvious when we talk about a brand new science, that is neuroscience. Even if there are a lot of work still left. In relation to you, that is still a map, that you have a mind. Okay, now I might be playing on definitions if “mind” doesn’t mean arational reality to you.
That’s your opinion. That’s your map.
A cosmic joke :D Really, though, you are the God, the Architect of the Matrix.
I fully agree. I do argue that reality cannot be described by anything, as it is arational. But of course you have to see for yourself.
No, that’s quantum physics 101. Unless you’re saying one of two things:
1) law of physics change for people who have different maps
2) you’re just calling reality “maps that can’t change”, in which case there’s no point in having this conversation.
If that’s true, why isn’t Liza sucking my c@{k right now? It’s my Matrix, after all.
So how do you call those parts of the maps that agree on each other and are independent from individual minds?
I’m saying laws of physics is a map. Our reality is arational and exists without reasoning or understanding. Sure your map may be more accurate than other maps, but it’s never the territory as it’s a human projection.
No, of course, you can change maps. But it’ll always be a map. “It’s a map and it’ll never be the territory, as it is a map”
If you silence all thoughts, you experience arational reality. But the moment a thought appears, you have a map, if you didn’t silence all thoughts, you created a map. If you believe you are experiencing arational reality, you are not, as you created a map of the memory of experiencing arational reality. Within a snap of a finger you may become present, and each snap of the day you are either aware or not.
Thoughts and all senses are the matrix of which you base everything, thus you are the Architect, the projector. But it’s not normal to be God.
Just because it is your matrix, doesn’t mean that you are in control. Because the thought of you is a part of your matrix, so is the illusion of control, and everything else.
Maps that agree on each other, will always be maps. L a n g u a g e i s a m a p. Some maps may have higher expected value in relation to maps which are perceived to have low. But they never break the illusion of being a map itself.
Maps can’t ever be independent of maps, that’s the illusion of one map being the territory. Some might say it is more likely that something is the territory, but I disagree since you can become aware what is the territory in the present moment and it is arational.
and
So… you can change laws of physics?
Who is then? And why do you call it my Matrix, since I cannot affect it in any way?
I don’t know, I’m not a physicist. Based on my limited knowledge is that you cannot change the map. Imagine everything in the world being a map called X, and it has a revision number. Just because you know the maps are X and have a revision number doesn’t undermine the content of the maps themselves. Your life experience might become different, however.
For there to be control, there has to first be someone or something which can be controlled and a controller. All is illusionary. You can create maps, but they will still be maps in relation to the arational.
I’m telling you in a practical sense since you have to have the experience yourself. You believe you are a creature, being of some kind. You can affect your matrix, by realizing it is a matrix, it’s kind of paradoxical.
At last, I’ve finally found something that you cannot change. Well then, just call this “reality” and discard everything we’ve said so far.
Yeah, call me when someone learns to affect the map.
But if you are creating these maps at every given moment, isn’t the maps changing depending on you? :D
Can we call it your perception of the map? Because that’s all there really is, that’s why it’s a map. Nothing exists which isn’t in your present moment, except as maps.