if it’s possible to pack rhetorical punch into things for a wider variety of reasons, so people don’t feel pressure to say misleading things in order to get attention.
I don’t think I agree with any of that—I think that rational discussion needs to have less rhetorical punch and more specific clarity of proposition, which tends not to meet political/other-dominating needs. And most of what we’re talking about in this subthread isn’t “need to say misleading things”, but “have a confused (or just different from mine) worldview that feels misleading without lots of discussion”.
I look forward to further iterations—I hope I’m wrong and only stuck in my confused model of how rationalists approach such disagreements.
I don’t think I agree with any of that—I think that rational discussion needs to have less rhetorical punch and more specific clarity of proposition, which tends not to meet political/other-dominating needs. And most of what we’re talking about in this subthread isn’t “need to say misleading things”, but “have a confused (or just different from mine) worldview that feels misleading without lots of discussion”.
I look forward to further iterations—I hope I’m wrong and only stuck in my confused model of how rationalists approach such disagreements.