I think there is still a loss of ownership that people would feel when we add big moderator note’s to the top of their posts, even if clearly signaled as moderator-added content, that I think would feel quite violating to many authors, though I might be wrong here.
I confess I don’t really know what you mean by this.
Not sure how to explain more. It would be good if there was some system that would allow other users that are not moderators to be able to inform other users about the updated epistemic content of a post. There are many potential ways to achieve that.
One might be to add inline comments that when they reach a certain threshold of votes can be displayed prominently enough to get the attention of others reading the content for the first time (though that also comes with cost), another might be to find some way to reduce or remove the strong first-mover bias in comment sections that prevent new comments from reaching the top of the comment section most of the time (due to voting activity usually being concentrated right after a post is created, which makes it hard fo rnew comments to get a lot of upvotes).
It would be good if there was some system that would allow other users that are not moderators to be able to inform other users about the updated epistemic content of a post.
I see, yes. Well, I agree that such a system would be good to have, but I am not convinced that it would be better for what I have in mind that using the recommendation system you’ve built for this. After all, three-quarters of the work here is precisely in bringing the old posts in question to the attention of users; relying on users in the first place, to accomplish that, seems to be an ineffective plan—whereas using the automated recommendation engine is perfect. (Still the user-originated system you allude to would, I think, be a good supplement.)
I think there is still a loss of ownership that people would feel when we add big moderator note’s to the top of their posts, even if clearly signaled as moderator-added content, that I think would feel quite violating to many authors, though I might be wrong here.
Well, that seems to me to be a matter of designing the UI/styling for clear separation, which is an eminently tractable problem. (Or do you disagree, with either clause?) There is, after all, all sorts of metadata and navigation UI and so on around a post, which is not generated by the author (directly or at all); have the layout and styling and such of these “moderator notes” clearly associate them with this metadata/navigation, and I think (unless I am misunderstanding you) that your concern is thereby addressed.
After all, three-quarters of the work here is precisely in bringing the old posts in question to the attention of users; relying on users in the first place, to accomplish that, seems to be an ineffective plan—whereas using the automated recommendation engine is perfect. (Still the user-originated system you allude to would, I think, be a good supplement.)
This indicates at least some misunderstanding of what I tried to convey. I agree that the recommendation system can do the job of promoting the visibility of such posts, but then I was additionally suggesting that it would be good to independently allow users to promote epistemic corrections to a higher level of visibility on the post-page itself in a way that does not require moderator interaction.
I think agree that we can do some better UI work to show that separation, and I think that’s probably the correct long-term strategy. Just the backlog of additional features like that is long, and difficulty of solving this problem well isn’t trivial (and neither is the cost of messing up), so I was mostly comparing options that don’t require any additional features like that and keep the existing site hierarchy.
This discussion has however made me update that putting in the relevant effort does surface a good amount of additional value, so I will think about that more.
I think there is still a loss of ownership that people would feel when we add big moderator note’s to the top of their posts, even if clearly signaled as moderator-added content, that I think would feel quite violating to many authors, though I might be wrong here.
Not sure how to explain more. It would be good if there was some system that would allow other users that are not moderators to be able to inform other users about the updated epistemic content of a post. There are many potential ways to achieve that.
One might be to add inline comments that when they reach a certain threshold of votes can be displayed prominently enough to get the attention of others reading the content for the first time (though that also comes with cost), another might be to find some way to reduce or remove the strong first-mover bias in comment sections that prevent new comments from reaching the top of the comment section most of the time (due to voting activity usually being concentrated right after a post is created, which makes it hard fo rnew comments to get a lot of upvotes).
I see, yes. Well, I agree that such a system would be good to have, but I am not convinced that it would be better for what I have in mind that using the recommendation system you’ve built for this. After all, three-quarters of the work here is precisely in bringing the old posts in question to the attention of users; relying on users in the first place, to accomplish that, seems to be an ineffective plan—whereas using the automated recommendation engine is perfect. (Still the user-originated system you allude to would, I think, be a good supplement.)
Well, that seems to me to be a matter of designing the UI/styling for clear separation, which is an eminently tractable problem. (Or do you disagree, with either clause?) There is, after all, all sorts of metadata and navigation UI and so on around a post, which is not generated by the author (directly or at all); have the layout and styling and such of these “moderator notes” clearly associate them with this metadata/navigation, and I think (unless I am misunderstanding you) that your concern is thereby addressed.
This indicates at least some misunderstanding of what I tried to convey. I agree that the recommendation system can do the job of promoting the visibility of such posts, but then I was additionally suggesting that it would be good to independently allow users to promote epistemic corrections to a higher level of visibility on the post-page itself in a way that does not require moderator interaction.
Ah! Yes, I understand now, and entirely agree!
I think agree that we can do some better UI work to show that separation, and I think that’s probably the correct long-term strategy. Just the backlog of additional features like that is long, and difficulty of solving this problem well isn’t trivial (and neither is the cost of messing up), so I was mostly comparing options that don’t require any additional features like that and keep the existing site hierarchy.
This discussion has however made me update that putting in the relevant effort does surface a good amount of additional value, so I will think about that more.