As noted last time, Rob Henderson finds that women in their twenties swipe right (‘like’) twice as often for a man with a master’s degree over a bachelor’s degree.
Causal or association?
Manifold Love: pro-tip: if a woman measures her hand against yours, this is almost always flirtation.
Totally did not know this. Is this true?
2. Authenticity and openness with your partner tends to be reciprocal and strongly predicts relationship satisfaction. That makes sense, this is underrated.
Is this causal? I mean, maybe being yourself and open works for people who happen to already be relationship-compatible. People who are not would be worse off by trying to be themselves. I think I have been burned in the past a lot by that kind of advice, although my experience is too much of an anecdote to infer an average.
[M]aybe being yourself and open works for people who happen to already be relationship-compatible. People who are not would be worse off by trying to be themselves. I think I have been burned in the past a lot by that kind of advice, although my experience is too much of an anecdote to infer an average.
I think you are maybe using a different definition of “worse off.” I would submit that a relationship that is maintainable only by being inauthentic and unopen is, in the long run, significantly worse than no relationship, both because of the experience of being in it, but also because of opportunity cost.
That’s different than holding some things back at the beginning, or keeping some impolite thoughts to yourself sometimes. But if your goal is a long-term partnership, you move further away from that goal by spending time and energy on someone you know you aren’t compatible with.
Thinking about it, I suspect I was not getting what “authenticity and openness” means. Like, it’s not “being yourself and letting go”, and more “being honest”, I guess? Could you give me >= 2 examples of a person being “authentic and open”?
So I guess I’m not sure what you mean by that. I think it might be easier to support what I’m saying in the negative. Some example of inauthenticity or un-openness might be:
Consciously faking your personality (in a way that you wouldn’t want to maintain as an essentially permanent change)
Lying about what you want out of the relationship
Pretending to like/dislike hobbies or interests that you actually strongly dislike/like
The problem with doing these things is that, to the extent that doing them was necessary to gain the relationship, you are now stuck with a relationship that is built on a papered-over incompatibility. If your plan is that you will fake a completely different personality/goals/interests, then you will now be in a relationship where you have to permanently keep faking that stuff while constantly being wary that your new partner might find out you were faking plus you have to spend a lot of time and energy doing stuff and/or interacting with someone you don’t actually like, or else ending the relationship and being back at square 1, except that you’ve invested time/energy that you won’t get back. There can be toned-down good versions of this bad strategy tho, I think, which are more like “putting your best foot forward” than like “being inauthentic.”
Truth: Looking for a life partner, getting desperate Good strategy [probably depends on age, for this one]: Open to various possibilities, see how it goes. Bad strategy: Your date says they are really only looking for short term fun, and you agree that’s all you are looking for too.
Truth: A talkative person who loves debating ideas Good strategy: Tone it down a little, try to listen as much as you talk and try to “yes, and” or “that’s interesting, tell me more about what led you to that” your date’s points rather than “no but” (you can often make similar points either way) Bad strategy: Just agree with everything your date says; even if you actually have a strong opposing view
Truth: Don’t really care for hiking much Good strategy [when trying out someone who loves hiking]: “I haven’t been too into that before, tell me what you love about it? I’d be open to giving it another shot” Bad strategy: “OMG I love hiking too!”
The problem that all these bad strategies have in common is that if they are successful, you end up with something you don’t want.
Manifold Love: pro-tip: if a woman measures her hand against yours, this is almost always flirtation.
Totally did not know this. Is this true? [10% react x 2]
A little taken aback by this response. It’s not just flirting, it’s outright romantic. Asking this is like asking if a woman resting their head on a mans chest and purring is “flirting”. I didn’t realize this was a common experience for guys not in a relationship with the particular woman.
Look, I’ve measured hands with women, and not personally done it out of a relationship but I’ve seen women resting their heads and purring, and I don’t think it was flirting. Either this or I totally don’t understand social relationships (possible!) Do you think this is cultural? I’m Italian, are you US American?
It might very well be cultural. As an American I literally cannot imagine doing either of those things with a woman I am not in a relationship with. I’ve never seen anybody else do them either.
Causal or association?
Totally did not know this. Is this true?
Is this causal? I mean, maybe being yourself and open works for people who happen to already be relationship-compatible. People who are not would be worse off by trying to be themselves. I think I have been burned in the past a lot by that kind of advice, although my experience is too much of an anecdote to infer an average.
I think you are maybe using a different definition of “worse off.” I would submit that a relationship that is maintainable only by being inauthentic and unopen is, in the long run, significantly worse than no relationship, both because of the experience of being in it, but also because of opportunity cost.
That’s different than holding some things back at the beginning, or keeping some impolite thoughts to yourself sometimes. But if your goal is a long-term partnership, you move further away from that goal by spending time and energy on someone you know you aren’t compatible with.
Thinking about it, I suspect I was not getting what “authenticity and openness” means. Like, it’s not “being yourself and letting go”, and more “being honest”, I guess? Could you give me >= 2 examples of a person being “authentic and open”?
So I guess I’m not sure what you mean by that. I think it might be easier to support what I’m saying in the negative. Some example of inauthenticity or un-openness might be:
Consciously faking your personality (in a way that you wouldn’t want to maintain as an essentially permanent change)
Lying about what you want out of the relationship
Pretending to like/dislike hobbies or interests that you actually strongly dislike/like
The problem with doing these things is that, to the extent that doing them was necessary to gain the relationship, you are now stuck with a relationship that is built on a papered-over incompatibility. If your plan is that you will fake a completely different personality/goals/interests, then you will now be in a relationship where you have to permanently keep faking that stuff while constantly being wary that your new partner might find out you were faking plus you have to spend a lot of time and energy doing stuff and/or interacting with someone you don’t actually like, or else ending the relationship and being back at square 1, except that you’ve invested time/energy that you won’t get back. There can be toned-down good versions of this bad strategy tho, I think, which are more like “putting your best foot forward” than like “being inauthentic.”
Truth: Looking for a life partner, getting desperate
Good strategy [probably depends on age, for this one]: Open to various possibilities, see how it goes.
Bad strategy: Your date says they are really only looking for short term fun, and you agree that’s all you are looking for too.
Truth: A talkative person who loves debating ideas
Good strategy: Tone it down a little, try to listen as much as you talk and try to “yes, and” or “that’s interesting, tell me more about what led you to that” your date’s points rather than “no but” (you can often make similar points either way)
Bad strategy: Just agree with everything your date says; even if you actually have a strong opposing view
Truth: Don’t really care for hiking much
Good strategy [when trying out someone who loves hiking]: “I haven’t been too into that before, tell me what you love about it? I’d be open to giving it another shot”
Bad strategy: “OMG I love hiking too!”
The problem that all these bad strategies have in common is that if they are successful, you end up with something you don’t want.
Ok, then I agreed. I was interpreting the advice in a different way, but your interpretation looks more reasonable.
A little taken aback by this response. It’s not just flirting, it’s outright romantic. Asking this is like asking if a woman resting their head on a mans chest and purring is “flirting”. I didn’t realize this was a common experience for guys not in a relationship with the particular woman.
Look, I’ve measured hands with women, and not personally done it out of a relationship but I’ve seen women resting their heads and purring, and I don’t think it was flirting. Either this or I totally don’t understand social relationships (possible!) Do you think this is cultural? I’m Italian, are you US American?
It might very well be cultural. As an American I literally cannot imagine doing either of those things with a woman I am not in a relationship with. I’ve never seen anybody else do them either.