As evidence for someone like this, consider dictators like Kim Jong Il. Opening up North Korea would result in much greater wealth for both him and his people, but it comes with a loss of power and status for Kim Jong. No one thinks he’s opening those borders anytime soon. The comparison isn’t as drastic, however—Kim Jong’s comforts are probably only a decade or two behind modern (I’m speculating).
Kim Jong’s comforts are probably only a decade or two behind modern (I’m speculating).
His likes are idiosyncratic, but as far as they go, he’s cutting-edge.
Cognac is routinely cited as one of the top illicit imports, and I don’t think he’s getting bad cognac; one of his principal interests is/was movies, of which he has a 20,000-strong collection—world-class, I think—and he was infamous for kidnapping ‘the famous South Korean movie director Shin Sang Ok and his ex-wife, actress Che Eun Hui, and kept them for eight years while making them produce propaganda films’, which is something which is inaccessible to just about everyone, modern or no.
He may be an evil dictator, but in my opinion he gets extreme bonus points for style:
and he was infamous for kidnapping ‘the famous South Korean movie director Shin Sang Ok and his ex-wife, actress Che Eun Hui, and kept them for eight years while making them produce propaganda films’
And from wikipedia:
From 1983 Shin directed seven films with Kim Jong-il acting as an executive producer. The best known of these films is Pulgasari, a giant-monster film similar to the Japanese Godzilla.
Not even the Bond badguys did anything that amusing.
Hmm, Kim Jong Il is apparently a bad example since he’s so wealthy. Surely there are dictators who don’t have the resources that Kim Jong has (such that they’re living in sub-modern conditions), but they still want to hold on to the power and status they hold despite the potential for wealth. right? (again, speculating, no hard evidence in mind)
Just about any nation-size dictator will be able to scratch up enough cash to live like a millionaire. Extort a few dollars from a million destitute inhabitants and you’re talking real money. So you have to look at city or tribal scale units, and even then, I think most chieftains are happier to be in power than out of power in a wealthier nation. How many Afghanistani elders are cooperating with the US, and out of enlightened self-interest, knowing that in any modernized industrial society their clans will be hopelessly obsolete? How many out of naked fear of the Taliban or US, and bribes?
In How the Mind Works, Steven Pinker has an excellent discussion of Schelling’s work on game theory, and argues that, per Schelling’s work, the appearance of being a rational individual can actually be a liability for a rogue dictator, so they have an incentive to look kooky.
Good point. However, why would the dictator put on the charade and try to keep his status/power unless he valued it more than the wealth he could obtain by opening the country up? If the gains are small, this is probably a good margin to look irrational on, but if the gains are large enough, opening up outweighs the irrational act (on this margin). There are plenty of other things to appear irrational about with lower stakes. You don’t have to appear kooky about every single decision you make in order to convince others that you are kooky—just enough of them.
So in a nutshell, if the difference in standards of living for the dictator under the two scenarios are large enough, the irrationality ploy shouldn’t matter (much).
Opening up North Korea would result in much greater wealth for both him and his people, but it comes with a loss of power and status for Kim Jong.
I find the premise of Kim Jong-il sharing the poor standard of living with his people (or, not making the most of what the modern world has to offer because of living in his country), completely implausible.
As evidence for someone like this, consider dictators like Kim Jong Il. Opening up North Korea would result in much greater wealth for both him and his people, but it comes with a loss of power and status for Kim Jong. No one thinks he’s opening those borders anytime soon. The comparison isn’t as drastic, however—Kim Jong’s comforts are probably only a decade or two behind modern (I’m speculating).
His likes are idiosyncratic, but as far as they go, he’s cutting-edge.
Cognac is routinely cited as one of the top illicit imports, and I don’t think he’s getting bad cognac; one of his principal interests is/was movies, of which he has a 20,000-strong collection—world-class, I think—and he was infamous for kidnapping ‘the famous South Korean movie director Shin Sang Ok and his ex-wife, actress Che Eun Hui, and kept them for eight years while making them produce propaganda films’, which is something which is inaccessible to just about everyone, modern or no.
He may be an evil dictator, but in my opinion he gets extreme bonus points for style:
And from wikipedia:
Not even the Bond badguys did anything that amusing.
Hmm, Kim Jong Il is apparently a bad example since he’s so wealthy. Surely there are dictators who don’t have the resources that Kim Jong has (such that they’re living in sub-modern conditions), but they still want to hold on to the power and status they hold despite the potential for wealth. right? (again, speculating, no hard evidence in mind)
Just about any nation-size dictator will be able to scratch up enough cash to live like a millionaire. Extort a few dollars from a million destitute inhabitants and you’re talking real money. So you have to look at city or tribal scale units, and even then, I think most chieftains are happier to be in power than out of power in a wealthier nation. How many Afghanistani elders are cooperating with the US, and out of enlightened self-interest, knowing that in any modernized industrial society their clans will be hopelessly obsolete? How many out of naked fear of the Taliban or US, and bribes?
In How the Mind Works, Steven Pinker has an excellent discussion of Schelling’s work on game theory, and argues that, per Schelling’s work, the appearance of being a rational individual can actually be a liability for a rogue dictator, so they have an incentive to look kooky.
Kim Jong Il is playing it by the book.
Good point. However, why would the dictator put on the charade and try to keep his status/power unless he valued it more than the wealth he could obtain by opening the country up? If the gains are small, this is probably a good margin to look irrational on, but if the gains are large enough, opening up outweighs the irrational act (on this margin). There are plenty of other things to appear irrational about with lower stakes. You don’t have to appear kooky about every single decision you make in order to convince others that you are kooky—just enough of them.
So in a nutshell, if the difference in standards of living for the dictator under the two scenarios are large enough, the irrationality ploy shouldn’t matter (much).
I find the premise of Kim Jong-il sharing the poor standard of living with his people (or, not making the most of what the modern world has to offer because of living in his country), completely implausible.
see my reply here