You’ve just hidden the complexity in the choice of the system for which you define a simple metric (I doubt it’s even right as you state, but assume it is). What you call the process is chosen by you to make the solution come out right (not deliberatively for that purpose, but by you anyway). Physics will be hard-pressed to even say what is the same rigid object over time (unless you trivially define that so in your formalism—but then it’ll be math), not to speak of the “process” of living person (where you can’t define in math what that delineates—the concept is too big for a mere human to see).
Get the print of a person in digital form and transmit it to the outer space by radio—will the person’s process involve the whole light cone now? How is that different from just exerting gravitational field?
I have not hidden any complexity nor made any arbitrary choice. The process that is the human body is mostly understood, in terms of what it does to maintain homeostasis (regulation of properties against environmental perturbations). Individual instances of a human body—different people—carry differences among each other—what memories they have, what funcitonality their organs have, and so on.
Way up at the level of interpersonal relationships, we can recognize an individual, like “Bob”, and his personality traits, etc. We can recognize when a re-instantiation of a person still acts like Bob. This is not an arbitrary choice—it’s based on a previous, non-arbitrary identification of a chunk of conceptspace called “the person Bob”.
So we can know when Bob has irreversibly mixed with his environment.
Get the print of a person in digital form and transmit it to the outer space by radio—will the person’s process involve the whole light cone now?
The person will be in the same dormant state as when they are frozen, or as a seed is before it is planted, or the chemicals that mix to make a virus before they are mixed. The information to reconstitute the being is still there, but it is not yet restored to its self-sustaining, entropy-exporting process. When you transmit their information through space, you are giving structure to the EM waves propagating against background noise, so there’s still a KL divergence from the environment: the waves you transmit are different from what you would expect if you expected normal background noise.
You still, of course, need someone capable of decoding that and reinstantiating the person. When all information about how to do so is lost, then the person is finally irreversibly mixed with their environment and permanently dead, in line with the definition I gave before.
How is that different from just exerting gravitational field?
I’m not sure of the purpose of this question. Could you state clearly what your position is, and which part you believe I’m disagreeing with, and why that disagreement is in error?
You’ve just hidden the complexity in the choice of the system for which you define a simple metric (I doubt it’s even right as you state, but assume it is). What you call the process is chosen by you to make the solution come out right (not deliberatively for that purpose, but by you anyway). Physics will be hard-pressed to even say what is the same rigid object over time (unless you trivially define that so in your formalism—but then it’ll be math), not to speak of the “process” of living person (where you can’t define in math what that delineates—the concept is too big for a mere human to see).
Get the print of a person in digital form and transmit it to the outer space by radio—will the person’s process involve the whole light cone now? How is that different from just exerting gravitational field?
I have not hidden any complexity nor made any arbitrary choice. The process that is the human body is mostly understood, in terms of what it does to maintain homeostasis (regulation of properties against environmental perturbations). Individual instances of a human body—different people—carry differences among each other—what memories they have, what funcitonality their organs have, and so on.
Way up at the level of interpersonal relationships, we can recognize an individual, like “Bob”, and his personality traits, etc. We can recognize when a re-instantiation of a person still acts like Bob. This is not an arbitrary choice—it’s based on a previous, non-arbitrary identification of a chunk of conceptspace called “the person Bob”.
So we can know when Bob has irreversibly mixed with his environment.
The person will be in the same dormant state as when they are frozen, or as a seed is before it is planted, or the chemicals that mix to make a virus before they are mixed. The information to reconstitute the being is still there, but it is not yet restored to its self-sustaining, entropy-exporting process. When you transmit their information through space, you are giving structure to the EM waves propagating against background noise, so there’s still a KL divergence from the environment: the waves you transmit are different from what you would expect if you expected normal background noise.
You still, of course, need someone capable of decoding that and reinstantiating the person. When all information about how to do so is lost, then the person is finally irreversibly mixed with their environment and permanently dead, in line with the definition I gave before.
I’m not sure of the purpose of this question. Could you state clearly what your position is, and which part you believe I’m disagreeing with, and why that disagreement is in error?