Hmm, I feel like we can make significant intellectual progress without everyone having to trust everyone else. And also don’t think there are that many interventions that reliably establish trust between parties that don’t just mostly consist of people being around each other for a while without getting into conflict.
Huh, really? I think there are fairly standard operating procedures for “how to converse in good faith”, that are pretty common in rationalist circles, and should be common/expected in rationalist circles, and if people are failing to live up to them I’d expect a given conversation to be less productive.
I think we might be using different definitions of “trust”, as a consequence of assigning different levels of importance to different aspects of the underlying concept.
I.e. I am thinking of trust as more something along the lines of “I expect the other person to actually have my well-being in mind”, whereas you might be pointing at one of the followng “I expect the other person is not going to accidentally hurt me/ doesn’t have an intention of hurting me/ is following a process that makes adversarial behavior inconvenient”
Hmm, I feel like we can make significant intellectual progress without everyone having to trust everyone else. And also don’t think there are that many interventions that reliably establish trust between parties that don’t just mostly consist of people being around each other for a while without getting into conflict.
Huh, really? I think there are fairly standard operating procedures for “how to converse in good faith”, that are pretty common in rationalist circles, and should be common/expected in rationalist circles, and if people are failing to live up to them I’d expect a given conversation to be less productive.
I think we might be using different definitions of “trust”, as a consequence of assigning different levels of importance to different aspects of the underlying concept.
I.e. I am thinking of trust as more something along the lines of “I expect the other person to actually have my well-being in mind”, whereas you might be pointing at one of the followng “I expect the other person is not going to accidentally hurt me/ doesn’t have an intention of hurting me/ is following a process that makes adversarial behavior inconvenient”
Ah, yes. That is what I meant in this case.