According to the CDC the coronavirus is thought to spread similarly to how the common cold spreads: person-to-person spread, and contact with infected surfaces or objects. There are certainly ways to get out of the house without coming in close contact with other people and without coming into contact with surfaces that others have touched. For example, going for a walk or a bike ride. (In densely populated cities this will certainly be harder.)
Furthermore, socializing with friends who you trust shouldn’t be too risky. From the CDC:
People are thought to be most contagious when they are most symptomatic (the sickest).
Some spread might be possible before people show symptoms; there have been reports of this occurring with this new coronavirus, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.
So then, if you know/trust that your friends are asymptomatic, and you trust that they are hygienic (wash their hands, wipe their counters, etc.), socializing with them shouldn’t be too risky.
If it spreads like the common cold, how worried should I be about kissing people? Reason:
Kissing does not efficiently spread cold infection
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Of 16 susceptible recipients, only one became infected by a one or one-and-a-half minute kiss with an infectious donor.
My first thought is that with the coronavirus, our risk tolerance is much lower, and even if the data point applied to the coronavirus as well, 1⁄16 still isn’t great. So if it makes sense to take the precautions of washing your hands after touching surfaces that others have touched, it probably also makes sense to avoid kissing people.
My second thought is that when you’re kissing people it’s probably going to be people you know personally and trust to be asymptomatic. But people can have the disease and be asymptomatic for weeks, so I’m not sure how much that helps.
Also right. Do you have any good pointers re: how much asymptomatic transfer there is? I’ve seen two things of note:
CDC director comment:
In other words, Redfield said that an infected person not showing symptoms could still transmit the virus to someone else based on information from his colleagues in China.
Part of me is surprised about how little evidence there is of asymptomatic transfer. Either it’s not frequent, evidence is hard to gather, it’s not worth mentioning/publishing after a certain point, something else?
Do you have any good pointers re: how much asymptomatic transfer there is?
Not really, sorry. The source that comes to my mind is the CDC (“Symptoms may appear 2-14 days after exposure”)but I also just generally recall various sources/people talking about it.
Does anyone have an update/ thoughts, on how safe it would be to take walks with asymptomatic friends one on one and keeping a distance of about 6 feet ?
Cabin fever is unnecessary.
According to the CDC the coronavirus is thought to spread similarly to how the common cold spreads: person-to-person spread, and contact with infected surfaces or objects. There are certainly ways to get out of the house without coming in close contact with other people and without coming into contact with surfaces that others have touched. For example, going for a walk or a bike ride. (In densely populated cities this will certainly be harder.)
Furthermore, socializing with friends who you trust shouldn’t be too risky. From the CDC:
So then, if you know/trust that your friends are asymptomatic, and you trust that they are hygienic (wash their hands, wipe their counters, etc.), socializing with them shouldn’t be too risky.
If it spreads like the common cold, how worried should I be about kissing people? Reason:
Source: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/014556139407300906
Interesting to hear that about the common cold.
My first thought is that with the coronavirus, our risk tolerance is much lower, and even if the data point applied to the coronavirus as well, 1⁄16 still isn’t great. So if it makes sense to take the precautions of washing your hands after touching surfaces that others have touched, it probably also makes sense to avoid kissing people.
My second thought is that when you’re kissing people it’s probably going to be people you know personally and trust to be asymptomatic. But people can have the disease and be asymptomatic for weeks, so I’m not sure how much that helps.
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Yep, sounds right. :)
Also right. Do you have any good pointers re: how much asymptomatic transfer there is? I’ve seen two things of note:
CDC director comment:
https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-13-20-intl-hnk/h_8d935a8b6df385aba0cbfdb30cd3aeac
Two cases mentioned here: https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-asymptomatic-transmission-chinese-woman-relatives-2020-2
Part of me is surprised about how little evidence there is of asymptomatic transfer. Either it’s not frequent, evidence is hard to gather, it’s not worth mentioning/publishing after a certain point, something else?
Not really, sorry. The source that comes to my mind is the CDC (“Symptoms may appear 2-14 days after exposure”) but I also just generally recall various sources/people talking about it.
Asymptomatic transfer pointer. Saw in an ea Fb group claims ~ 15% household asymptomatic household transfer rate https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.03.20028423v1?fbclid=IwAR14euEgPp3UvxBI2zSk-ZPCbbBzEV8JbyVVofxdgwqJDkRBoVKzREJdM4w
Does anyone have an update/ thoughts, on how safe it would be to take walks with asymptomatic friends one on one and keeping a distance of about 6 feet ?