From the OP: “honor requires recognition from others.” That’s not a component of the notion of honor I grew up with. Nor is the requirement of avenging insults.
It looks like I focused on the wrong part of the comment; if I read you rightly now, then you are speaking to the difference between honor cultures and dignity cultures.
That other people are not a component is why the difference is sometimes called shame cultures vs. guilt cultures. In dignity/guilt cultures, when we do the right thing we just get the satisfaction of having done the right thing, and when we do the wrong thing we are supposed to feel guilty.
In honor/shame cultures, when people do the right thing they also get the respect of their community, and when they do the wrong thing they tend to be deliberately humiliated by them.
There’s another group of scholars that think of this entirely in terms of reputation because of the role other people play, but I haven’t read anything by them.
From the OP: “honor requires recognition from others.” That’s not a component of the notion of honor I grew up with. Nor is the requirement of avenging insults.
It looks like I focused on the wrong part of the comment; if I read you rightly now, then you are speaking to the difference between honor cultures and dignity cultures.
That other people are not a component is why the difference is sometimes called shame cultures vs. guilt cultures. In dignity/guilt cultures, when we do the right thing we just get the satisfaction of having done the right thing, and when we do the wrong thing we are supposed to feel guilty.
In honor/shame cultures, when people do the right thing they also get the respect of their community, and when they do the wrong thing they tend to be deliberately humiliated by them.
There’s another group of scholars that think of this entirely in terms of reputation because of the role other people play, but I haven’t read anything by them.