As it turns out, I’m a green-eyed, pale-skinned but tan-capable Arab from North Africa. I’ve got several uncles that look downright East Asian (round face, slanted eyes, pale-skinned), and another side of my family looks south-asian, and another looks downright black, and we have blue-eys blondes, an the traits skip generations and branches, and I find the whole notion of “race” to be laughably vague.
If, like in the US, you put a bunch of Scandinavians, Southwest Africans, and East Asians right next to each other, without miscegenation between their descendants, and with a very distinct social stratification between them, I can see how words like “Hispanic” might sound like they might be meaningful, but in lands like Brazil or Morocco where everyone got mixed with everyone and you got a kaleidoscope of phenotypes popping up in the most unexpected places, the “lines” start looking decidedly more blurry, and, in particular, no-one expects phenotype to be in any way correlated with personality traits, or intelligence, or competence.
And let us not get started on the whole notion of “Ashkenazi” from a genetic standpoint; in fact, the very result that they get the highest IQ results makes me place my bet on a nurture rather than nature cause for the discrepancy. I’m willing to bet actual money on this outcome.
Fair enough. I would still contest that the “nurture” component of these outcomes is smaller than is commonly suggested (Ashkenazim in particular) and that I too would bet money on it.
I don’t know how exactly to translate two difference subjective probabilities to a bet structure, but before that we ought to agree on what exactly we’re disagreeing over and what the correct answer would look like to determine who wins.
I think that this would necessarily have to be a long-term thing—maybe the scientific consensus X years from now?
As it turns out, I’m a green-eyed, pale-skinned but tan-capable Arab from North Africa. I’ve got several uncles that look downright East Asian (round face, slanted eyes, pale-skinned), and another side of my family looks south-asian, and another looks downright black, and we have blue-eys blondes, an the traits skip generations and branches, and I find the whole notion of “race” to be laughably vague.
If, like in the US, you put a bunch of Scandinavians, Southwest Africans, and East Asians right next to each other, without miscegenation between their descendants, and with a very distinct social stratification between them, I can see how words like “Hispanic” might sound like they might be meaningful, but in lands like Brazil or Morocco where everyone got mixed with everyone and you got a kaleidoscope of phenotypes popping up in the most unexpected places, the “lines” start looking decidedly more blurry, and, in particular, no-one expects phenotype to be in any way correlated with personality traits, or intelligence, or competence.
And let us not get started on the whole notion of “Ashkenazi” from a genetic standpoint; in fact, the very result that they get the highest IQ results makes me place my bet on a nurture rather than nature cause for the discrepancy. I’m willing to bet actual money on this outcome.
Fair enough. I would still contest that the “nurture” component of these outcomes is smaller than is commonly suggested (Ashkenazim in particular) and that I too would bet money on it.
(Also I’m sorry if I came off as rude before)
You didn’t, as far as I am concerned.
(How would we go about making such bets official?)
I don’t know how exactly to translate two difference subjective probabilities to a bet structure, but before that we ought to agree on what exactly we’re disagreeing over and what the correct answer would look like to determine who wins.
I think that this would necessarily have to be a long-term thing—maybe the scientific consensus X years from now?