That means you haven’t looked deep enough what’s causing your actions which you do in your daily life. If you for example value validation the most you have to create an identity of yourself which you go around and strengthen, seeking people to give you attention. Have your name written in the history books. So forth. Or buying something to show off or having certain amount of knowledge.
All of your values come from something. Be honest.
That’s the first step. Then the realization of the flaw of this value and replace it with logic with a leap of faith. (or whatever else could be considered blind trust)
So your current value can be considered a value and none else?
This isn’t a religious conversion experience, that’s kind-of a joke/metaphor :D It’s using your brain mechanics seeking for a higher power or something to believe in, religion is so popular in the world for a reason. Logic will be even more impactful.
I’m asking you to see for yourself. Because is it really that bad to value logic over all else? Or rationality. It’s the same.
So your current value can be considered a value and none else?
That objection is not logical :-P
It’s using your brain mechanics seeking for a higher power
Sorry, don’t have those. Maybe somewhere in dusty off-line storage, but certainly not activated.
Because is it really that bad to value logic over all else?
That strikes me as an expression devoid of meaning. Logic is a tool. Tools can be useful or not so much, but tools are not values unto themselves, they just make it easier to reach actual goals.
Do tell, how The One True Value of logic led you to post word salad on LW?
Everything is logical when you realize that it is the reason for you to even be able to think.
Sorry, don’t have those. Maybe somewhere in dusty off-line storage, but certainly not activated.
Well all your actions is your subconscious emotional brain aligned to your most important value I think.
That strikes me as an expression devoid of meaning. Logic is a tool. Tools can be useful or not so much, but tools are not values unto themselves, they just make it easier to reach actual goals.
Are you attaching too much to the definition? By logic I mean, what has created us, the mathematical patterns. The Fibonacci sequence in nature is an example. It’s how reality is. It’s logical. Yet we give importance to something like identity or safety instead of how it is and miss out what we truly wanted.
Do tell, how The One True Value of logic led you to post word salad on LW?
It’s starting to become apparent for me that our emotional-rational connection is lacking in rationality or logic, and our subconscious brain craves the safety that it provides. Nothing else can give so, probably in exception of enlightenment, liberation etc.
Well then, we’re done, aren’t we? If everything is already logical there doesn’t seem to be any point in complaining about lack of logic.
By logic I mean, what has created us, the mathematical patterns.
Mathematical patterns created us? That’s an interesting idea.
But OK, let’s dive into the pile of the brown stuff in search of a nut, a kernel of something...
So there is an “emotional mind” (which, I think, means the subconsciousness) and the “rational mind” (aka the consciousness). The emotional mind wants things like identity (you probably mean the sense of belonging) and safety. You think the emotional mind is wrong and it should really want… mathematical patterns? Therefore the rational mind should yell at the emotional mind to stop being silly and just do what the rational minds tells it to do? And the emotional mind will say “yes, of course” instead of extending the middle finger, as usual? And if that process actually happens, your complete whole will achieve the mathematical-pattern enlightenment while ignoring the not-important stuff like safety?
Well then, we’re done, aren’t we? If everything is already logical there doesn’t seem to be any point in complaining about lack of logic.
Well emotionally most of us aren’t aligned with logic instead of some other value like comfort. Even though logic is what has given us all the comfort, technology and so forth. This is a psychological experience.
Mathematical patterns created us? That’s an interesting idea.
Without logic most of us probably wouldn’t have existed, the technology of which have satisfied our most primal needs such as food, water, healthcare, shelter. Going back in time, seeing evolution and evolutionary biology. How stardust evolved to us.
So there is an “emotional mind” (which, I think, means the subconsciousness) and the “rational mind” (aka the consciousness). The emotional mind wants things like identity (you probably mean the sense of belonging) and safety. You think the emotional mind is wrong and it should really want… mathematical patterns?
Well yes, that’s what we do, we value things like safety or comfort over everything else. Yet it is contradictory as whatever we value can never be the case, or it can be taken from us. By looking at what even made these things possible in the first place, whether it be a parent or spouse, it was logic that gave us this. Of course it’s hard to go on an emotional level. The emotional mind is weakening the rational mind.
Therefore the rational mind should yell at the emotional mind to stop being silly and just do what the rational minds tells it to do? And the emotional mind will say “yes, of course” instead of extending the middle finger, as usual? And if that process actually happens, your complete whole will achieve the mathematical-pattern enlightenment while ignoring the not-important stuff like safety?
In all actuality, I think it is the emotional mind which is driving us and weakening the rational part of brain by not submitting to logic. It is right before our eyes that everything we have, have been brought about by logic and it all seems to be universal in this sensational world. When the emotional mind realizes that rationality or logic will bring it all the safety it needs, with the easy heuristics previously, it will be at peace. Because nothing can bring you more comfort. If you aren’t comfortable and it is solvable, you do so, otherwise you accept it for what it is.
It is a paradigm shift.
If you were uncomfortable however and it wasn’t solvable, with comfort as your most important value, you will suffer and you won’t understand why. Which is what we are doing. It is a rat race.
And you promise it will be grrrrrreat(tm)?
You will feel euphoric after logic is your most important value. It will fade away over time, then you might become very anxious because you don’t understand anything. So you will have to rebuild everything you think you knew before. At the part of being anxious you might think it has stopped working, that it doesn’t make sense. You might return to your old important value then. Instead of searching for the logic in all things. See what I replied to another one where to go if you do try this out.
This sounds like an Eastern philosophy/religion narrative. Is logic / mathematical patterns basically dao (or tao)? The promise of peace if you abandon the mistaken urges of the emotional mind is also quite familiar :-)
Ah, I see. It’s Athene/Boumaaza. Why didn’t you say so from the start?
This sounds like an Eastern philosophy/religion narrative. Is logic / mathematical patterns basically dao (or tao)? The promise of peace if you abandon the mistaken urges of the emotional mind is also quite familiar :-)
I see it as two sides of the same coin, the sensational world is logic and the other is the indescribable/unmanifested/nothingness/void. All sides is how it is and I am fine with that. Who knows?
Ah, I see. It’s Athene/Boumaaza. Why didn’t you say so from the start?
Well, then we get anxious and avoiding talking to our crush wondering where our rational brain went, when it was never there in the first place. (emotional drive) Maybe. :D
I don’t have a most important value.
That means you haven’t looked deep enough what’s causing your actions which you do in your daily life. If you for example value validation the most you have to create an identity of yourself which you go around and strengthen, seeking people to give you attention. Have your name written in the history books. So forth. Or buying something to show off or having certain amount of knowledge.
All of your values come from something. Be honest.
That’s the first step. Then the realization of the flaw of this value and replace it with logic with a leap of faith. (or whatever else could be considered blind trust)
Thank you, I’m not looking for a religious conversion experience.
Neither I’m likely to take blind leaps of faith on the say-so of internet strangers. Logic isn’t a “value”, anyway.
So your current value can be considered a value and none else?
This isn’t a religious conversion experience, that’s kind-of a joke/metaphor :D It’s using your brain mechanics seeking for a higher power or something to believe in, religion is so popular in the world for a reason. Logic will be even more impactful.
I’m asking you to see for yourself. Because is it really that bad to value logic over all else? Or rationality. It’s the same.
That objection is not logical :-P
Sorry, don’t have those. Maybe somewhere in dusty off-line storage, but certainly not activated.
That strikes me as an expression devoid of meaning. Logic is a tool. Tools can be useful or not so much, but tools are not values unto themselves, they just make it easier to reach actual goals.
Do tell, how The One True Value of logic led you to post word salad on LW?
Everything is logical when you realize that it is the reason for you to even be able to think.
Well all your actions is your subconscious emotional brain aligned to your most important value I think.
Are you attaching too much to the definition? By logic I mean, what has created us, the mathematical patterns. The Fibonacci sequence in nature is an example. It’s how reality is. It’s logical. Yet we give importance to something like identity or safety instead of how it is and miss out what we truly wanted.
It’s starting to become apparent for me that our emotional-rational connection is lacking in rationality or logic, and our subconscious brain craves the safety that it provides. Nothing else can give so, probably in exception of enlightenment, liberation etc.
Well then, we’re done, aren’t we? If everything is already logical there doesn’t seem to be any point in complaining about lack of logic.
Mathematical patterns created us? That’s an interesting idea.
But OK, let’s dive into the pile of the brown stuff in search of a nut, a kernel of something...
So there is an “emotional mind” (which, I think, means the subconsciousness) and the “rational mind” (aka the consciousness). The emotional mind wants things like identity (you probably mean the sense of belonging) and safety. You think the emotional mind is wrong and it should really want… mathematical patterns? Therefore the rational mind should yell at the emotional mind to stop being silly and just do what the rational minds tells it to do? And the emotional mind will say “yes, of course” instead of extending the middle finger, as usual? And if that process actually happens, your complete whole will achieve the mathematical-pattern enlightenment while ignoring the not-important stuff like safety?
And you promise it will be grrrrrreat(tm)?
Well emotionally most of us aren’t aligned with logic instead of some other value like comfort. Even though logic is what has given us all the comfort, technology and so forth. This is a psychological experience.
Without logic most of us probably wouldn’t have existed, the technology of which have satisfied our most primal needs such as food, water, healthcare, shelter. Going back in time, seeing evolution and evolutionary biology. How stardust evolved to us.
Well yes, that’s what we do, we value things like safety or comfort over everything else. Yet it is contradictory as whatever we value can never be the case, or it can be taken from us. By looking at what even made these things possible in the first place, whether it be a parent or spouse, it was logic that gave us this. Of course it’s hard to go on an emotional level. The emotional mind is weakening the rational mind.
In all actuality, I think it is the emotional mind which is driving us and weakening the rational part of brain by not submitting to logic. It is right before our eyes that everything we have, have been brought about by logic and it all seems to be universal in this sensational world. When the emotional mind realizes that rationality or logic will bring it all the safety it needs, with the easy heuristics previously, it will be at peace. Because nothing can bring you more comfort. If you aren’t comfortable and it is solvable, you do so, otherwise you accept it for what it is.
It is a paradigm shift.
If you were uncomfortable however and it wasn’t solvable, with comfort as your most important value, you will suffer and you won’t understand why. Which is what we are doing. It is a rat race.
You will feel euphoric after logic is your most important value. It will fade away over time, then you might become very anxious because you don’t understand anything. So you will have to rebuild everything you think you knew before. At the part of being anxious you might think it has stopped working, that it doesn’t make sense. You might return to your old important value then. Instead of searching for the logic in all things. See what I replied to another one where to go if you do try this out.
This sounds like an Eastern philosophy/religion narrative. Is logic / mathematical patterns basically dao (or tao)? The promise of peace if you abandon the mistaken urges of the emotional mind is also quite familiar :-)
Ah, I see. It’s Athene/Boumaaza. Why didn’t you say so from the start?
I see it as two sides of the same coin, the sensational world is logic and the other is the indescribable/unmanifested/nothingness/void. All sides is how it is and I am fine with that. Who knows?
Maybe I should have from the start. That’s where all of this is from. https://www.twitch.tv/athenelive/v/95140378?t=1h28m23s
I’ve always loved this bit.
Well, then we get anxious and avoiding talking to our crush wondering where our rational brain went, when it was never there in the first place. (emotional drive) Maybe. :D