That may solve the problem that it becomes impossible to pay genuine compliments, but it doesn’t solve the problem that it’s impossible to get honest feedback.
If you ask me about your haircut and I give you a compliment about something unrelated to your haircut you have to choices. If you are fishing for a compliment you will accept the compliment. If you are seeking for honest feedback you can ask again: “Please tell me what you really think about my haircut.”
Instead of trying to answer the question at the top level but think about why they are asking. With training you can also learn to read people to understand what they want. You will make mistakes of sometimes giving someone who seeks honest feedback a compliment and something giving honest feedback to someone who’s seeking a compliment but reading people is a skill that you can learn.
You get bonus points if it’s implicitly obvious for the other person if you treat their question as a request for a compliment or as a request for honest feedback. It signals that you understand them on a deeper level.
In today’s world there something special about the person who gets that they are asked for making a compliment to lift someone mood and then makes an effort to give a really great compliment.
I admit that I’m not the best person at giving compliments but when I see someone who’s good at it, that’s impressive. The social advantages that a skill like that provides are much bigger than the benefits you get by telling people white lies.
Telling white lies is easy. If you don’t have much social skill it might be your best move in a social situation. If you however put the effort into developing skills you can make much better moves.
If you ask me about your haircut and I give you a compliment about something unrelated to your haircut you have to choices. If you are fishing for a compliment you will accept the compliment.
I’m disinclined to believe without further experience that everybody would be completely blinded by the new compliment and forget about the fact that one’s evading the question kind of implicates something about what one thinks about the haircut in particular… But then I can’t simulate people who fish for compliments with utterances that look like requests for feedback anyway. I find this practise supremely annoying and, most of all, completely alien. I can’t imagine enjoying a compliment that I would elicit in such a way, it would feel totally ridiculous. So maybe you’re simply right about this kind of people.
Curiously, it somehow didn’t occur to me at all that one could, of course, simply ask a second time when one wants honest feedback and is faced with an evasive compliment. Although I suspect in practice there is an incentive for people to just default back to lying because finding a substitute-compliment might not be easy for them, or they might just forget. So while that system would work from the perspective of both compliment-fishers and feedback-desirers, it requires rather costly cooperation on the part of the people being asked.
With training you can also learn to read people to understand what they want.
Not within certain practical constraints. As an introvert who is not constantly submerged in the social world, I strongly suspect that I am never going to get enough data points to learn to read people really well, because the data are so freaking noisy.
Telling white lies is easy.
For some people, it’s actually psychologically costly, because they have a habit to break when they do so. Paying honest compliments is much easier for me.
it requires rather costly cooperation on the part of the people being asked.
It costs mental effort. Over time practicing that effort develops better social awareness.
It doesn’t cost you money, status or time that you can’t allocate to other tasks.
I’m disinclined to believe without further experience that everybody would be completely blinded by the new compliment and forget about the fact that one’s evading the question kind of implicates something about what one thinks about the haircut in particular…
The point isn’t to blind them. The point is to give them what they are really asking for. They are not asking for an opinion of their haircut, they are asking you for a compliment.
It’s not wrong for you to treat them as having asked for a compliment. Being explicit about the fact that they asked you for a compliment is bad manners but implicitly acknowledging it isn’t.
It completely okay that they know, that you know, that they didn’t want honest feedback. Especially with a woman who really only wants a compliment that shows that you get it in contrast to other men who don’t. It much better than when the woman thinks that you don’t understand her.
Not within certain practical constraints.
When it comes to telling whether people are fishing for compliment or seeking honest feedback, it might seem complicated at first but it’s not asking for the moon.
To learn it you could make the policy of never giving a person who seems to be asking for a compliment the compliment they are looking for. Then you observe their reactions. If they are delighted that you gave them a compliment you were right.
On the other hand if they seem to be annoyed that you evaded their question, you were wrong.
Of course at the beginning you will make mistakes from time to time. Those mistakes allow you to learn. At the moment you don’t try to identify people who are fishing for compliments and that means there’s no learning process with feedback.
Paying honest compliments is much easier for me.
In that case, practice telling more of them. When you do look at the reaction of the other person. If it makes them smile, you win. If it doesn’t you lose. With practice you will get better at reading people to find compliments that make them smile.
MIstakes of telling compliments that don’t move the other person very much are cheap.
Additionally if you are known as a person who gives a lot of compliments the honest feedback that you give will annoy people less because you already have fulfilled your social duty of showing that you care about other people as far as the compliment department goes.
I think introverts often think too much of “what’s the social custom and how can I follow it?” or go down the extreme of pickup artistry but too seldom go the middle way of finding nonstandard behavior that’s completely socially acceptable.
It’s not wrong for you to treat them as having asked for a compliment. Being explicit about the fact that they asked you for a compliment is bad manners but implicitly acknowledging it isn’t. It completely okay that they know, that you know, that they didn’t want honest feedback.
I have to admit that this baffles me, but I’ll take your word for it.
When it comes to telling whether people are fishing for compliment or seeking honest feedback, it might seem complicated at first but it’s not asking for the moon.
Even if we’re talking about that particular aspect, it’s kind of hard and I’m not exactly being showered with data. I don’t actually experience that many people asking for a compliment, do you? Come to think of it, the whole thing may not be as big of an issue. (I know why I have such a strong emotional aversive reaction to it nonetheless.)
I think introverts often think too much of “what’s the social custom and how can I follow it?” or go down the extreme of pickup artistry but too seldom go the middle way of finding nonstandard behavior that’s completely socially acceptable.
I don’t actually experience that many people asking for a compliment, do you?
At the moment not that much. Most of the people with whom a have longer social interactions don’t operate at that level. Few masks but direct talk about psychological needs. Lots of physical contact regardless of the gender of the person I’m interacting with.
On the other hand I know that those interactions are not representative of “normal culture”.
I think I’m basically doing exactly that.
Good. I was not asserting that you aren’t. I don’t know yourself well enough for that.
That may solve the problem that it becomes impossible to pay genuine compliments, but it doesn’t solve the problem that it’s impossible to get honest feedback.
If you ask me about your haircut and I give you a compliment about something unrelated to your haircut you have to choices. If you are fishing for a compliment you will accept the compliment. If you are seeking for honest feedback you can ask again: “Please tell me what you really think about my haircut.”
Instead of trying to answer the question at the top level but think about why they are asking. With training you can also learn to read people to understand what they want. You will make mistakes of sometimes giving someone who seeks honest feedback a compliment and something giving honest feedback to someone who’s seeking a compliment but reading people is a skill that you can learn.
You get bonus points if it’s implicitly obvious for the other person if you treat their question as a request for a compliment or as a request for honest feedback. It signals that you understand them on a deeper level.
In today’s world there something special about the person who gets that they are asked for making a compliment to lift someone mood and then makes an effort to give a really great compliment.
I admit that I’m not the best person at giving compliments but when I see someone who’s good at it, that’s impressive. The social advantages that a skill like that provides are much bigger than the benefits you get by telling people white lies.
Telling white lies is easy. If you don’t have much social skill it might be your best move in a social situation. If you however put the effort into developing skills you can make much better moves.
I’m disinclined to believe without further experience that everybody would be completely blinded by the new compliment and forget about the fact that one’s evading the question kind of implicates something about what one thinks about the haircut in particular… But then I can’t simulate people who fish for compliments with utterances that look like requests for feedback anyway. I find this practise supremely annoying and, most of all, completely alien. I can’t imagine enjoying a compliment that I would elicit in such a way, it would feel totally ridiculous. So maybe you’re simply right about this kind of people.
Curiously, it somehow didn’t occur to me at all that one could, of course, simply ask a second time when one wants honest feedback and is faced with an evasive compliment. Although I suspect in practice there is an incentive for people to just default back to lying because finding a substitute-compliment might not be easy for them, or they might just forget. So while that system would work from the perspective of both compliment-fishers and feedback-desirers, it requires rather costly cooperation on the part of the people being asked.
Not within certain practical constraints. As an introvert who is not constantly submerged in the social world, I strongly suspect that I am never going to get enough data points to learn to read people really well, because the data are so freaking noisy.
For some people, it’s actually psychologically costly, because they have a habit to break when they do so. Paying honest compliments is much easier for me.
It costs mental effort. Over time practicing that effort develops better social awareness. It doesn’t cost you money, status or time that you can’t allocate to other tasks.
The point isn’t to blind them. The point is to give them what they are really asking for. They are not asking for an opinion of their haircut, they are asking you for a compliment.
It’s not wrong for you to treat them as having asked for a compliment. Being explicit about the fact that they asked you for a compliment is bad manners but implicitly acknowledging it isn’t.
It completely okay that they know, that you know, that they didn’t want honest feedback. Especially with a woman who really only wants a compliment that shows that you get it in contrast to other men who don’t. It much better than when the woman thinks that you don’t understand her.
When it comes to telling whether people are fishing for compliment or seeking honest feedback, it might seem complicated at first but it’s not asking for the moon.
To learn it you could make the policy of never giving a person who seems to be asking for a compliment the compliment they are looking for. Then you observe their reactions. If they are delighted that you gave them a compliment you were right.
On the other hand if they seem to be annoyed that you evaded their question, you were wrong.
Of course at the beginning you will make mistakes from time to time. Those mistakes allow you to learn. At the moment you don’t try to identify people who are fishing for compliments and that means there’s no learning process with feedback.
In that case, practice telling more of them. When you do look at the reaction of the other person. If it makes them smile, you win. If it doesn’t you lose. With practice you will get better at reading people to find compliments that make them smile.
MIstakes of telling compliments that don’t move the other person very much are cheap. Additionally if you are known as a person who gives a lot of compliments the honest feedback that you give will annoy people less because you already have fulfilled your social duty of showing that you care about other people as far as the compliment department goes.
I think introverts often think too much of “what’s the social custom and how can I follow it?” or go down the extreme of pickup artistry but too seldom go the middle way of finding nonstandard behavior that’s completely socially acceptable.
I have to admit that this baffles me, but I’ll take your word for it.
Even if we’re talking about that particular aspect, it’s kind of hard and I’m not exactly being showered with data. I don’t actually experience that many people asking for a compliment, do you? Come to think of it, the whole thing may not be as big of an issue. (I know why I have such a strong emotional aversive reaction to it nonetheless.)
I think I’m basically doing exactly that.
At the moment not that much. Most of the people with whom a have longer social interactions don’t operate at that level. Few masks but direct talk about psychological needs. Lots of physical contact regardless of the gender of the person I’m interacting with.
On the other hand I know that those interactions are not representative of “normal culture”.
Good. I was not asserting that you aren’t. I don’t know yourself well enough for that.