Normally to be effective incentives are announced beforehand.
That, said I’m curious to see the results of this, will your comment be downvoted more or will this comment be? In fact, I’ll even add a handicap, I just gave your comment a strong upvote. To be honest, I think most people are past the anger stage and more focused on how to improve it next year.
Expectation that having principles that are just given up when push comes to shove is a really dangerous precent to set. It would turn any talk in a stressful moment to be unreliable “cheap talk”.
Good job with the meta-prediction—it gave me enough pause to think, so I didn’t actually downvote the suggestion. I strongly disagree with it—Chris has provided hours of entertainment and a useful demonstration that this (whatever it is) isn’t trivial. I don’t pay attention to other’s karma generally, but it looks like they’ve gained fewer than 150 points for their explanation and comments, so I’ll likely drop a few more upvotes on.
People keep asking for incentives, sometimes to incentivise people doing it, sometimes to incentivise people not to do it.. I just don’t think it’s the point, incentive in either direction. We make a destructive button, and we find out whether people press it, and we try to all live up to the standard the Petrov set, of taking responsibility for the consequences even though nobody told him to.
hummmmm. ok maybe I agree. plus, maybe the more interesting function to optimize is who to select to hold a code rather than how to create proper incentives.
I would find it really inspiring for us to be able to select a large group of people that don’t press the button “just because it’s our symbolic tradition” :)
EtA: I think I changed my mind; see comment below.
I suggest a penalty of 1000 karma points to Chris.
I suggest for Chris to reply to this comment to provide us a karma sink.
meta: I predict this comment to be downvoted.
Normally to be effective incentives are announced beforehand.
That, said I’m curious to see the results of this, will your comment be downvoted more or will this comment be? In fact, I’ll even add a handicap, I just gave your comment a strong upvote. To be honest, I think most people are past the anger stage and more focused on how to improve it next year.
I disagree. Having a culture of retroactively rewarding and punishing people is an important precedent to set.
I’d say 58% my comment receives more downvotes:) But I stand by it—until convinced otherwise with arguments, not points!:
actually, maybe I already changed my mind. see my reply to Ben’s comment.
I also appreciate that you played along, so part of me also want to upvote your comment
Expectation that having principles that are just given up when push comes to shove is a really dangerous precent to set. It would turn any talk in a stressful moment to be unreliable “cheap talk”.
Good job with the meta-prediction—it gave me enough pause to think, so I didn’t actually downvote the suggestion. I strongly disagree with it—Chris has provided hours of entertainment and a useful demonstration that this (whatever it is) isn’t trivial. I don’t pay attention to other’s karma generally, but it looks like they’ve gained fewer than 150 points for their explanation and comments, so I’ll likely drop a few more upvotes on.
I think if we instill this norm, it might create an incentive
People keep asking for incentives, sometimes to incentivise people doing it, sometimes to incentivise people not to do it.. I just don’t think it’s the point, incentive in either direction. We make a destructive button, and we find out whether people press it, and we try to all live up to the standard the Petrov set, of taking responsibility for the consequences even though nobody told him to.
hummmmm. ok maybe I agree. plus, maybe the more interesting function to optimize is who to select to hold a code rather than how to create proper incentives.
Yeah, that’s the main point. To have a large group of people who live up to Petrov.
I would find it really inspiring for us to be able to select a large group of people that don’t press the button “just because it’s our symbolic tradition” :)