Not sure what to make of Harry’s willingness to go to any length to preserve Quirrel. Immediate emotional reaction to the death of a ‘friend’? Or change in underlying morality?
We’re getting less of Harry’s inner narrative than we did before the troll, so it’s entirely possible that he’s fully aware that Quirrell is almost definitely the big bad, but still wants him to live in spite of this.
After these latest chapters, though, I’m starting to think Harry’s mind is being blocked specifically from anything that would harm Quirrell directly. Quirrell’s perspective in chapter 89 says that he can’t influence Harry directly through their connection, but Harry’s “Dark Side” might be another matter. (How did Quirrell think talking to an Inferius like he was modifying its memories would help? He knows exactly how smart Harry is!)
Good point about getting less of Harry’s inner narrative—I’d been thinking I was feeling less connected to the story and wondering why because the prose seemed to be at least as good as it’s been, and probably better.
“Less inner narrative” gives me hope for a plot payoff, and it’s much more subtle than a character explaining a plan to other characters without the details being given to the reader until the plan is acted on.
Twilight Sparkle, specifically, is associated with stars (in FiM, the symbol of Magic generally is a six-pointed star).
More meta-foreshadowing for the stars dying?
Well, yes, in the sense that Alicorn isn’t dead either, and this isn’t a crossover universe with MLP (as far as I can tell). But it depends on how you interpret this.
I think something about giving unicorns in the HPMoR universe (whose only plot relevance is that valuable things can be extracted from their corpses) cutie marks skeeves me out, and makes their death that much more tragic.
Interesting, I had almost the opposite response: I thought it seriously undermined the seriousness of the chapter and gave for a very conflicting feeling.
In the MoR universe, being able to do magic is a sign that the underlying Source of Magic recognizes you in some way. Wizards make ghosts, muggles don’t; as Draco puts it, the simplest explanation for that is that wizards have souls and Muggles don’t. (Suppose the soul is just some part of the self that persists that taps into the Source of Magic for computation. Then it doesn’t require the physical body for computation, and Harry’s intuitions about souls from “the brain makes the mind,” which is true in our world but possibly not exclusively true in the MoR world, are not necessarily correct.)
In the MLP universe, a cutie mark is the physical manifestation of having found your purpose in life. MLP unicorns can also do magic. If we transport Twilight Sparkle from MLP to MoR with the least number of changes (i.e. the Source of Magic recognizes her and the philosophical interpretation of the cutie mark is the same), we end up with a being who has more directly observable evidence for being morally valuable than wizards… whose only purpose (in the eyes of the story* and protagonist) is to die to extend the life of wizards.
Alternatively, we assume that it’s basically a horse with some magical properties, that’s just colored that way as a referential joke. Then, yeah, jokes like that do decrease the seriousness of the chapter.
*Originally this was “author,” which is not quite fair; the primary purpose of Rita Skeeter in MoR is to be murdered by Quirrel, but as the author’s note / other commentary that Eliezer almost put in McGonagall telling Skeeter’s children that their mother had gone missing showed that Eliezer was modeling her as an actual person, and the same might be true for the unicorns Quirrel is murdering.
Perhaps as a result of reading Harry Potter and the Natural 20, I have problems with the various cameos in HPMOR, including this one. People who have distinctive names and characteristics are automatically marked somewhere in my mind as “important NPCs”, but then there are so many of them, and so few of them actually turn out to be important, that the relevant part of my mind gets confused. It’s like the literary device where you introduce a character with a lengthy background and description, only to promptly kill them off—except unless your name is George R. R. Martin, you’re unlikely to do this more than once per book, whereas Eliezer’s version is less extreme but can happen multiple times per chapter.
Not sure what to make of Harry’s willingness to go to any length to preserve Quirrel. Immediate emotional reaction to the death of a ‘friend’? Or change in underlying morality?
Not a fan of Twilight Sparkle dying.
We’re getting less of Harry’s inner narrative than we did before the troll, so it’s entirely possible that he’s fully aware that Quirrell is almost definitely the big bad, but still wants him to live in spite of this.
After these latest chapters, though, I’m starting to think Harry’s mind is being blocked specifically from anything that would harm Quirrell directly. Quirrell’s perspective in chapter 89 says that he can’t influence Harry directly through their connection, but Harry’s “Dark Side” might be another matter. (How did Quirrell think talking to an Inferius like he was modifying its memories would help? He knows exactly how smart Harry is!)
Good point about getting less of Harry’s inner narrative—I’d been thinking I was feeling less connected to the story and wondering why because the prose seemed to be at least as good as it’s been, and probably better.
“Less inner narrative” gives me hope for a plot payoff, and it’s much more subtle than a character explaining a plan to other characters without the details being given to the reader until the plan is acted on.
… Huh. I didn’t even consider the possibility that it might be an Inferius before now—I just assumed it was Imperius.
But when you think of it, if you assume the centaur Firenze wasn’t dead, Imperius is probably not the best option anyway
a magically murdered and revived centaur is a big political problem, though, between Hogwarts and the centaurs of the forest.
Unless this kind of thing is routine, why would he expect to get away with this?
EDIT: There’s also another explanation for why he took so long, which is he was in the Firenze’s mind, learning exactly what the centaurs had divined.
Twilight Sparkle, specifically, is associated with stars (in FiM, the symbol of Magic generally is a six-pointed star). More meta-foreshadowing for the stars dying?
That wasn’t Twilight Sparkle. It was a unicorn who was a reference to Twilight Sparkle.
Well, yes, in the sense that Alicorn isn’t dead either, and this isn’t a crossover universe with MLP (as far as I can tell). But it depends on how you interpret this.
I think something about giving unicorns in the HPMoR universe (whose only plot relevance is that valuable things can be extracted from their corpses) cutie marks skeeves me out, and makes their death that much more tragic.
Interesting, I had almost the opposite response: I thought it seriously undermined the seriousness of the chapter and gave for a very conflicting feeling.
In the MoR universe, being able to do magic is a sign that the underlying Source of Magic recognizes you in some way. Wizards make ghosts, muggles don’t; as Draco puts it, the simplest explanation for that is that wizards have souls and Muggles don’t. (Suppose the soul is just some part of the self that persists that taps into the Source of Magic for computation. Then it doesn’t require the physical body for computation, and Harry’s intuitions about souls from “the brain makes the mind,” which is true in our world but possibly not exclusively true in the MoR world, are not necessarily correct.)
In the MLP universe, a cutie mark is the physical manifestation of having found your purpose in life. MLP unicorns can also do magic. If we transport Twilight Sparkle from MLP to MoR with the least number of changes (i.e. the Source of Magic recognizes her and the philosophical interpretation of the cutie mark is the same), we end up with a being who has more directly observable evidence for being morally valuable than wizards… whose only purpose (in the eyes of the story* and protagonist) is to die to extend the life of wizards.
Alternatively, we assume that it’s basically a horse with some magical properties, that’s just colored that way as a referential joke. Then, yeah, jokes like that do decrease the seriousness of the chapter.
*Originally this was “author,” which is not quite fair; the primary purpose of Rita Skeeter in MoR is to be murdered by Quirrel, but as the author’s note / other commentary that Eliezer almost put in McGonagall telling Skeeter’s children that their mother had gone missing showed that Eliezer was modeling her as an actual person, and the same might be true for the unicorns Quirrel is murdering.
In fact, I had both these reactions.
It made it sadder but also kind of stupid.
Perhaps as a result of reading Harry Potter and the Natural 20, I have problems with the various cameos in HPMOR, including this one. People who have distinctive names and characteristics are automatically marked somewhere in my mind as “important NPCs”, but then there are so many of them, and so few of them actually turn out to be important, that the relevant part of my mind gets confused. It’s like the literary device where you introduce a character with a lengthy background and description, only to promptly kill them off—except unless your name is George R. R. Martin, you’re unlikely to do this more than once per book, whereas Eliezer’s version is less extreme but can happen multiple times per chapter.