A partial list to compare to future record breaking attempts: Global Warming, Meredith Kercher’s murder, atheism, gun control, race and IQ, Pick-up artists, cryonics, Scandinavian social welfare, nuclear deterence, sweatshops, industry bailouts, immigration, UFOs, homosexuality, polyamory, bisexuality, pedophilia, necrophilia, cannibalism, rape, 2 girls 1 cup, sex change, generalizations about promiscuity, straight men like lesbians, masochism, incest, people getting off to cartoons, people getting off to cartoons of pre-teen girls, 9/11 was an inside job, and Communism.
Don’t forget the biggest of them all: “questioning our raison d’etre”; i.e. we debated the value of rationality, whilst remaining civil and keeping the discussion meaningful. For comparison, imagine suggesting that “tennis isn’t all that great” on a tennis forum.
Fascism was never a well-defined political philosophy, as far as I can tell. It seems that, today, it seems to be a synonym for “non-Communist government I don’t like”.
I always thought of it as basically a reaction to communism, wherein the state takes control of industry but sort of for the benefit of industry rather than labour. But yeah, definitely a pretty amorphous thing.
I’ve seen it defined, perhaps ironically, as “When the government takes over the corporations, that’s called communism. When the corporations take over the government, that’s called fascism.”
By the time Mussolini returned from Allied service in World War I, he had decided that socialism as a doctrine had largely been a failure. In 1917, Mussolini got his start in politics with the help of a £100 weekly wage from MI5, the British Security Service; this help was authorised by Sir Samuel Hoare. In early 1918, Mussolini called for the emergence of a man “ruthless and energetic enough to make a clean sweep” to revive the Italian nation. Much later in life Mussolini said he felt by 1919 “Socialism as a doctrine was already dead; it continued to exist only as a grudge”. On 23 March 1919, Mussolini reformed the Milan fascio as the Fasci Italiani di Combattimento (Italian Combat Squad), consisting of 200 members.
I think we’ve achieved a new record for “most distinct subthreads that would be flamewars anywhere else on the Internet, but somehow aren’t yet”.
The previous recordholder, I’m pretty sure, is also on Less Wrong.
A partial list to compare to future record breaking attempts: Global Warming, Meredith Kercher’s murder, atheism, gun control, race and IQ, Pick-up artists, cryonics, Scandinavian social welfare, nuclear deterence, sweatshops, industry bailouts, immigration, UFOs, homosexuality, polyamory, bisexuality, pedophilia, necrophilia, cannibalism, rape, 2 girls 1 cup, sex change, generalizations about promiscuity, straight men like lesbians, masochism, incest, people getting off to cartoons, people getting off to cartoons of pre-teen girls, 9/11 was an inside job, and Communism.
Don’t forget the biggest of them all: “questioning our raison d’etre”; i.e. we debated the value of rationality, whilst remaining civil and keeping the discussion meaningful. For comparison, imagine suggesting that “tennis isn’t all that great” on a tennis forum.
Eugenics; that ought to be a fun one as well.
This reminds of the supposed spectre of “designer babies”.
Non-sceptic rationalist: “Oh don’t do that scientific research it’ll end in designer babies!!!!”
Rationalist: “So what if it does?”
We should try gun control some time...
That is so true. & that is why I bloody love this site.
Still, I think to get the perfect compendium, somebody ought to mention fascism.
Fascism was never a well-defined political philosophy, as far as I can tell. It seems that, today, it seems to be a synonym for “non-Communist government I don’t like”.
I’d say it became increasingly less well-defined after it’s creation.
I always thought of it as basically a reaction to communism, wherein the state takes control of industry but sort of for the benefit of industry rather than labour. But yeah, definitely a pretty amorphous thing.
Anyway, it’s mentioned now! Hurrah!
I’ve seen it defined, perhaps ironically, as “When the government takes over the corporations, that’s called communism. When the corporations take over the government, that’s called fascism.”
From Jack’s link in the previous comment:
No further comment. :)
Not quite there, but in the general vicinity.