Obviously the words can be different, but how do you identify or distinguish the meanings? What particular distinction are you drawing attention to?
(Also, “Your own words “separately from” in between quoted sentences with question marks were more than sufficient” suggests that I already listed three meanings myself, but again, which ones?)
For example, “What should you believe?” and “What is the truth?” are somewhat different questions, but it looks to me that these are the same for the purpose of this discussion. I don’t know which distinction you allude to (This one? Probably not. Something else?). There are two questions that I listed in my comments, but also questions in the post. The questions in the post seem to map to my questions. You believe that one of them doesn’t map. Which one?
(It’s not even an interesting question. A simple answer would’ve prevented this whole sub-discussion.)
A simple answer would’ve prevented this whole sub-discussion.
It would have avoided the meta discussion—but that is the only part that was interesting or relevant to the thread. There is an important counterpoint to Eliezer’s “ask for examples” prescription. Just like demands of “Where is your evidence?” demands of the form “Give me some examples?” are often best left unanswered. They are powerful argument tactics regardless of whether they should be given the subject. The context, degree of mutual respect and expectations of flow of the conversation matter a lot when choosing whether or not to go along with the other person’s demand.
Yes, if not for the relevance to the topic at hand I would have averted the whole sub-discussion. Probably by simply ignoring the request, which is often the optimal response.
Just like demands of “Where is your evidence?” demands of the form “Give me some examples?” are often best left unanswered.
In usual practice, there are many useful techniques that don’t try to clarify the situation. But on this forum it’s also possible to actually answer with similar efficiency, even if not in an expected manner, for example “I believe absence of citable evidence is not a problem here” or “Not interesting enough for me to discuss further.” That would be an actual reason, out in the open.
I believe absence of citable evidence is not a problem here
I like that one and I expect I shall make use of it. Mind you I expect it would often result in much the same response to this one given how similar the message.
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And that is an example of a response that doesn’t warrant a “Do Not Reply” warning. You made your disagreement clear rather than setting bait (whether sincere or not being unimportant).
Now the subject is merely insufficiently interesting to argue about. It really doesn’t matter that much in what combinations the questions are conceptually bundled in a model.
And that is (edit: or rather was, prior to Vlad’s edit) an example of a response that doesn’t warrant a “Do Not Reply” warning. You made your disagreement clear rather than setting bait (whether sincere or not being unimportant).
And again I fail to interpret this step of the game of subtlety (from my tone-deaf perspective). There are multiple things in this paragraph that I can’t interpret. (Which edit do you refer to? What’s a “”Do Not Reply” warning”? Why “warning”? What disagreement? What bait?) Seriously, it’s like that.
Obviously the words can be different, but how do you identify or distinguish the meanings? What particular distinction are you drawing attention to?
(Also, “Your own words “separately from” in between quoted sentences with question marks were more than sufficient” suggests that I already listed three meanings myself, but again, which ones?)
For example, “What should you believe?” and “What is the truth?” are somewhat different questions, but it looks to me that these are the same for the purpose of this discussion. I don’t know which distinction you allude to (This one? Probably not. Something else?). There are two questions that I listed in my comments, but also questions in the post. The questions in the post seem to map to my questions. You believe that one of them doesn’t map. Which one?
(It’s not even an interesting question. A simple answer would’ve prevented this whole sub-discussion.)
It would have avoided the meta discussion—but that is the only part that was interesting or relevant to the thread. There is an important counterpoint to Eliezer’s “ask for examples” prescription. Just like demands of “Where is your evidence?” demands of the form “Give me some examples?” are often best left unanswered. They are powerful argument tactics regardless of whether they should be given the subject. The context, degree of mutual respect and expectations of flow of the conversation matter a lot when choosing whether or not to go along with the other person’s demand.
Yes, if not for the relevance to the topic at hand I would have averted the whole sub-discussion. Probably by simply ignoring the request, which is often the optimal response.
In usual practice, there are many useful techniques that don’t try to clarify the situation. But on this forum it’s also possible to actually answer with similar efficiency, even if not in an expected manner, for example “I believe absence of citable evidence is not a problem here” or “Not interesting enough for me to discuss further.” That would be an actual reason, out in the open.
I like that one and I expect I shall make use of it. Mind you I expect it would often result in much the same response to this one given how similar the message.
EDIT: Below may not reply to the current version of parent.
And that is an example of a response that doesn’t warrant a “Do Not Reply” warning. You made your disagreement clear rather than setting bait (whether sincere or not being unimportant).
Now the subject is merely insufficiently interesting to argue about. It really doesn’t matter that much in what combinations the questions are conceptually bundled in a model.
What changed? (I guess the first paragraph refers to the conditions for having this reaction to a comment, though not sure.)
And again I fail to interpret this step of the game of subtlety (from my tone-deaf perspective). There are multiple things in this paragraph that I can’t interpret. (Which edit do you refer to? What’s a “”Do Not Reply” warning”? Why “warning”? What disagreement? What bait?) Seriously, it’s like that.