oooo, that’s interesting! maximal abstraction… *membranes all the way down...*
I do like this, I’ll have to think about it more. Another thing this makes me realize that I like about this is that it requires no privileged perspective: you don’t actually know that anything is an agent (just like reality— solipism— etc.)— all you know is that there are membranes and things you can’t control…
I already think that trying to control fate is a membrane/boundary violation just as trying to control another sovereign agent is a membrane/boundary violation, and this would naturally make those the same.
Though, I think if the frame ‘agent’ were to be abandoned, we’d need a sort of meta-membrane that also accounts for the membrane’s ability to leak, break, and get stronger/weaker ? (Eg “If you stab this membrane, it will pop” would be part of the interface of the meta-membrane, not the object-level membrane ?)
Thank you!
Random thoughts/clarification-to-myself about nested membranes:
I agree that, as seen from the outside, agents can overlap in in nested membranes. I exist as a person exist within (I am) my physical and informational membrane, and ‘I’ also reside (in some ways, though perhaps not all of the same ways) in the membrane of my country as one of its citizens. To the outside, I am nested within the country. One thing I do want to clarify though, is that from my perspective everything is also nested. There’s still a membrane that mediates how I interact with my country, for example— even though in some ways I exist within my country.
oooo, that’s interesting! maximal abstraction… *membranes all the way down...*
I do like this, I’ll have to think about it more. Another thing this makes me realize that I like about this is that it requires no privileged perspective: you don’t actually know that anything is an agent (just like reality— solipism— etc.)— all you know is that there are membranes and things you can’t control…
I already think that trying to control fate is a membrane/boundary violation just as trying to control another sovereign agent is a membrane/boundary violation, and this would naturally make those the same.
Though, I think if the frame ‘agent’ were to be abandoned, we’d need a sort of meta-membrane that also accounts for the membrane’s ability to leak, break, and get stronger/weaker ? (Eg “If you stab this membrane, it will pop” would be part of the interface of the meta-membrane, not the object-level membrane ?)
Thank you!
Random thoughts/clarification-to-myself about nested membranes:
I agree that, as seen from the outside, agents can overlap in in nested membranes. I exist as a person exist within (I am) my physical and informational membrane, and ‘I’ also reside (in some ways, though perhaps not all of the same ways) in the membrane of my country as one of its citizens. To the outside, I am nested within the country. One thing I do want to clarify though, is that from my perspective everything is also nested. There’s still a membrane that mediates how I interact with my country, for example— even though in some ways I exist within my country.