As I understand it, there is a phenomenon among transgender people where no matter what they do they can’t help but ask themselves the question, “Am I really an [insert self-reported gender category here]?”
The obvious answer is “No”. In fact this experience seems suspiciously like trying to make oneself belief that one believes one’s gender to be X.
Humans universally make inferences about their typicality with respect to their self-reported gender. Check Google Scholar for ‘self-perceived gender typicality’ for further reading. So when I refer to a transman, by my model, I mean, “A human whose self-reporting algorithm returns the gender category ‘male’, but whose self-perceived gender typicality checker returns ‘Highly atypical!’”
And the word ‘human’ at the beginning of that sentence is important. I do not mean “A human that is secretly, essentially a girl,” or “A human that is secretly, essentially a boy,”; I just mean a human. I postulate that there are not boy typicality checkers and girl typicality checkers; there are typicality checkers that take an arbitrary gender category as input and return a measure of that human’s self-perceived typicality with regard to the category.
While we’re assigning categories in complete defiance to common sense and evidence, why are we so sure that the category “human” is applicable?
THIS USER IS BANNED FOR ENDLESSLY POSTING THE SAME POST EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE BEEN ADMIN REMOVED AND BANNED. THIS POST STANDS AS A FUCK OFF TO THE BANNED USER. I DON’T HAVE TIME FOR THIS SHIT. FUCK OFF.
THIS USER IS BANNED FOR ENDLESSLY POSTING THE SAME POST EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE BEEN ADMIN REMOVED AND BANNED.
Nice circular logic there. I’ll take it your supposed to be the maintenance crew since your obviously not qualified as a rationalist. In that case why should I care what a glorified janitor thinks about me?
I DON’T HAVE TIME FOR THIS SHIT.
In that case I take it you’ll stop deleting my posts.
DOESN’T MATTER IF YOU ARE THE NEXT GHANDI AND THE NEXT EINSTEIN TOGETHER. THERE IS AN ENTIRE INTERNET. HANG OUT ANYWHERE BUT HERE.
384 USELESS FUCKING POSTS. FUCK OFF. NO ONE LIKES A TROLL. YOU DON’T HAVE ANYTHING GOOD TO SAY. I BET ALL YOUR PRINCETON FRIENDS THINK YOU ARE GREAT IN BED. OH WAIT NRX, PROBABLY CAN’T GET LAID OR I WOULDN’T BE HAVING THIS PROBLEM.
I share your suspicion that shouting at Eugine won’t actually help (but, well, nothing else has ever actually helped in the sense of getting him to behave better, so why not give shouting a try?) -- but I don’t think what he’s doing is exactly trolling, though clearly it has a thing or two in common with trolling.
Probably, yes. But, again, Eugine has shown no sign of needing any incentives or positive reinforcement to continue his destructive activities. The range of scenarios in which making him slightly more motivated to continue being obnoxious has any visible impact is pretty small.
To be explicit: I agree that shouting at Eugine is more likely harmful than helpful. But I also think Eugine has demonstrated near-complete indifference to actual outcomes, and the chance that saying anything short of “I know where you live and have hired a hitman” or “I am in the process of securing an injunction that legally prohibits you from commenting here” will make a nontrivial difference to his actions seems very small. (Whether those more drastic interventions, even if made credibly, would have any impact on his behaviour, I don’t know.)
The obvious answer is “No”. In fact this experience seems suspiciously like trying to make oneself belief that one believes one’s gender to be X.
While we’re assigning categories in complete defiance to common sense and evidence, why are we so sure that the category “human” is applicable?
THIS USER IS BANNED FOR ENDLESSLY POSTING THE SAME POST EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE BEEN ADMIN REMOVED AND BANNED. THIS POST STANDS AS A FUCK OFF TO THE BANNED USER. I DON’T HAVE TIME FOR THIS SHIT. FUCK OFF.
Nice circular logic there. I’ll take it your supposed to be the maintenance crew since your obviously not qualified as a rationalist. In that case why should I care what a glorified janitor thinks about me?
In that case I take it you’ll stop deleting my posts.
No.
BANNED FOREVER. BANNED FOREVER.
DOESN’T MATTER IF YOU ARE THE NEXT GHANDI AND THE NEXT EINSTEIN TOGETHER. THERE IS AN ENTIRE INTERNET. HANG OUT ANYWHERE BUT HERE.
384 USELESS FUCKING POSTS. FUCK OFF. NO ONE LIKES A TROLL. YOU DON’T HAVE ANYTHING GOOD TO SAY. I BET ALL YOUR PRINCETON FRIENDS THINK YOU ARE GREAT IN BED. OH WAIT NRX, PROBABLY CAN’T GET LAID OR I WOULDN’T BE HAVING THIS PROBLEM.
DON’T WASTE MY FUCKING TIME.
LOL. Someone here doesn’t understand how trolling works.
I share your suspicion that shouting at Eugine won’t actually help (but, well, nothing else has ever actually helped in the sense of getting him to behave better, so why not give shouting a try?) -- but I don’t think what he’s doing is exactly trolling, though clearly it has a thing or two in common with trolling.
I think shouting is not just unhelpful here, I think it’s actually positive reinforcement and an incentive to continue.
Probably, yes. But, again, Eugine has shown no sign of needing any incentives or positive reinforcement to continue his destructive activities. The range of scenarios in which making him slightly more motivated to continue being obnoxious has any visible impact is pretty small.
To be explicit: I agree that shouting at Eugine is more likely harmful than helpful. But I also think Eugine has demonstrated near-complete indifference to actual outcomes, and the chance that saying anything short of “I know where you live and have hired a hitman” or “I am in the process of securing an injunction that legally prohibits you from commenting here” will make a nontrivial difference to his actions seems very small. (Whether those more drastic interventions, even if made credibly, would have any impact on his behaviour, I don’t know.)
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Which is why access to the backend database is such a useful thing to have :-/
Ay, there’s the rub.
Why no?
Like I said in the parent. I’m not taking orders from a glorified janitor in the middle of an emotional meltdown.
Do you say that to bouncers in real life too? How does that work out?
heh.
Oh, do you want Mr. Yudkowski to ask you to leave? Or is there any other way to convince you to do it? Because this is growing boring.
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