For the first one (the phrasing of which is a quote from a +7 comment) - have you had a chance to read Roko’s banned post and subsequent discussion? While grains of salt were employed by the majority, a minority took the concern extremely seriously (including Eliezer, and were his comment to receive widespread attention I think he would soon long for the days when he was simply accused of arrogance).
I agree that the second is too harsh (being in a footnote, I didn’t notice it before).
I have read the post-that-shall-not-be-named and studied the discussion somewhat intensively, and I agree with your analysis. However, I believe David was referring to more than just that incident.
As for the second point: while I think it is phrased rather harshly, telling someone to go read the sequences is often a condescending Courtier’s reply.
But the Courtier’s Reply isn’t necessarily a logical fallacy. It is when it serves to mask one’s lack of a counterargument; but it isn’t usual for the answer to a simple question to be a long, complicated, and easily screwed-up one. I once raised a pretty straightforward question about identity in the LW IRC channel and was directed to one of the Sequences, and in hindsight that proved a lot more useful to me than trying to replicate the whole argument on the spot (though I still wasn’t persuaded).
I wouldn’t classify the Courtier’s Reply as a fallacy in the same sense as the conjunction fallacy or an ad hominem argument, but it is logically rude.
Funny, I didn’t even realize that was what “courtier’s reply” referred to. The fallacy in the courtier’s reply was that the literature referred to could not possibly demonstrate the proposition claimed, because it dealt only with the consequences of said proposition, and hence it can be ignored without actually reading it; so I took that as the defining characteristic, rather than just the referral to a large and intimidating body of literature.
For the first one (the phrasing of which is a quote from a +7 comment) - have you had a chance to read Roko’s banned post and subsequent discussion? While grains of salt were employed by the majority, a minority took the concern extremely seriously (including Eliezer, and were his comment to receive widespread attention I think he would soon long for the days when he was simply accused of arrogance).
I agree that the second is too harsh (being in a footnote, I didn’t notice it before).
I have read the post-that-shall-not-be-named and studied the discussion somewhat intensively, and I agree with your analysis. However, I believe David was referring to more than just that incident.
As for the second point: while I think it is phrased rather harshly, telling someone to go read the sequences is often a condescending Courtier’s reply.
But the Courtier’s Reply isn’t necessarily a logical fallacy. It is when it serves to mask one’s lack of a counterargument; but it isn’t usual for the answer to a simple question to be a long, complicated, and easily screwed-up one. I once raised a pretty straightforward question about identity in the LW IRC channel and was directed to one of the Sequences, and in hindsight that proved a lot more useful to me than trying to replicate the whole argument on the spot (though I still wasn’t persuaded).
I wouldn’t classify the Courtier’s Reply as a fallacy in the same sense as the conjunction fallacy or an ad hominem argument, but it is logically rude.
Funny, I didn’t even realize that was what “courtier’s reply” referred to. The fallacy in the courtier’s reply was that the literature referred to could not possibly demonstrate the proposition claimed, because it dealt only with the consequences of said proposition, and hence it can be ignored without actually reading it; so I took that as the defining characteristic, rather than just the referral to a large and intimidating body of literature.
Seems I had it right: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/05/who_says_we_dont_need_bible_sc.php