one of the moderators thinks this post is more appropriate for main he
Mrerererer.
EDIT: I get variable amounts of negative karma for complaining about pronouns, but this one got pretty downvoted pretty fast. Is it something about “mrerererer” as an expression of displeasure in particular? Do I need to expressly state in so many words that I’m complaining about pronouns, even though Metus figured it out right away?
Note a downvoter, but on a note of inferential distance -- prior to the edit, I would have had no idea that “Mrerererer” was a vocalization of displeasure.
Upvoted. Please call me out if you ever see me doing it. I try to use Spivak pronouns in any instance where it is not really important whether or not the reader will judge me for using them (ie. not on a term paper) but I rarely think of it.
But I think it would have helped if you were more specific. I wouldn’t have understood that you were complaining about pronouns. I may not have understood that “Mrerererer” was a complaint, and not an attempt to mimic the noise my dog makes when he’s sucking on his chew toy. ;-)
Though widely used, it’s technically improper. In fact, English lacks a generic singular personal pronoun. The best way to get around this might be to make the subject plural:
If the moderators think this post is more appropriate for main they can move it there.
EDIT—removed irrelevant links and snarky comment about downvoters, plus:
Researched further, my judgement was hasty:
Although some usage writers condemn the use of the “singular they” when the gender is unknown or unimportant, this is often used, both in speech and in writing (e.g. “If a customer requires help, they should contact...”). In fact, a consistent pattern of usage can be traced at least as far back as Shakespeare, and possibly even back to Middle English. It avoids awkward constructions such as he or she. This usage is authorised and preferred by the Australian Government Manual of Style for official usage in government documents. See Singular they. The use of the “singular they” can often be avoided by thinking ahead and rephrasing the whole sentence (e.g. “For assistance, customers should contact...”).
English isn’t C++, a form is pretty much defined as acceptable by usage.
This is certainly true; primary considerations should be comprehensibility and consistency. They in this context is perfectly understandable, if not yet considered strictly “correct.”
Frankly, I’ve forgotten what my intention was in pointing it out in the first place.
Yes please. Although I don’t think we have any moderators who prefer “it”, we might one day acquire some (e.g. Clippy could be given mod powers, in theory).
Mrerererer.
EDIT: I get variable amounts of negative karma for complaining about pronouns, but this one got pretty downvoted pretty fast. Is it something about “mrerererer” as an expression of displeasure in particular? Do I need to expressly state in so many words that I’m complaining about pronouns, even though Metus figured it out right away?
Note a downvoter, but on a note of inferential distance -- prior to the edit, I would have had no idea that “Mrerererer” was a vocalization of displeasure.
It sounds like a suggestion for a new pronoun, even better than all existing pronouns. :D
We can rebuild mrererererer. We have the technology.… Better, stronger, faster.
( In case that didn’t make sense )
Upvoted. Please call me out if you ever see me doing it. I try to use Spivak pronouns in any instance where it is not really important whether or not the reader will judge me for using them (ie. not on a term paper) but I rarely think of it.
But I think it would have helped if you were more specific. I wouldn’t have understood that you were complaining about pronouns. I may not have understood that “Mrerererer” was a complaint, and not an attempt to mimic the noise my dog makes when he’s sucking on his chew toy. ;-)
I thought of it as a sex-generic “he” but if you think it is more appropriate I can change it to “he or she” (or “it”.) Do you want me to?
“They” can be used as a neutral third-person pronoun.
Which seems like the most generic and easy-to-implement solution.
Thank you, good suggestion.
Though widely used, it’s technically improper. In fact, English lacks a generic singular personal pronoun. The best way to get around this might be to make the subject plural:
EDIT—removed irrelevant links and snarky comment about downvoters, plus:
Researched further, my judgement was hasty: Although some usage writers condemn the use of the “singular they” when the gender is unknown or unimportant, this is often used, both in speech and in writing (e.g. “If a customer requires help, they should contact...”). In fact, a consistent pattern of usage can be traced at least as far back as Shakespeare, and possibly even back to Middle English. It avoids awkward constructions such as he or she. This usage is authorised and preferred by the Australian Government Manual of Style for official usage in government documents. See Singular they. The use of the “singular they” can often be avoided by thinking ahead and rephrasing the whole sentence (e.g. “For assistance, customers should contact...”).
From this Wikipedia article.
I am neither the grammar police nor the editor of an English language style guide.
From your first link:
English isn’t C++, a form is pretty much defined as acceptable by usage.
This is certainly true; primary considerations should be comprehensibility and consistency. They in this context is perfectly understandable, if not yet considered strictly “correct.”
Frankly, I’ve forgotten what my intention was in pointing it out in the first place.
Randall Munroe says it for me: http://xkcd.com/145/.
Yes please. Although I don’t think we have any moderators who prefer “it”, we might one day acquire some (e.g. Clippy could be given mod powers, in theory).