I think this is false. Subjective disagreement shouldn’t imply disapproval, capturing subjective-disagreement by disapproval rounds it off to disincentivization of non-conformity, which is a problem. Extracting it into a separate dimension solves this karma-problem.
It is less useful for what you want because it’s contextually-more-ambiguous than the truth-verdict. So I think the meaningful disagreement between me and you/habryka(?) might be in which issue is more important (to spend the second-voting-dimension slot on). I think the large quantity of karma-upvoted/agreement-downvoted comments to this post is some evidence for the importance of the idea I’m professing.
To derive from something I said as a secondary part of another comment, possibly more clearly: I think that extracting “social approval that this post was a good idea and should be promoted” while conflating other forms of “agreement” is a better choice of dimensionality reduction than extracting “objective truth of the statements in this post” while conflating other forms of “approval”. Note that the former makes this change kind of a “reverse extraction” where the karma system was meant to be centered around that one element to begin with and now has some noise removed, while the other elements now have a place to be rather than vanishing. The last part of that may center some disapprovals of the new system, along the lines of “amplifying the rest of it into its own number (rather than leaving it as an ambiguous background presence) introduces more noise than is removed by keeping the social approval axis ‘clean’” (which I don’t believe, but I can partly see why other people might believe).
Of Strange Loop relevance: I am treating most of the above beliefs of mine here as having primarily intersubjective truth value, which is similar in a lot of relevant ways to an objective truth value but only contextually interconvertible.
I think the karma dimension already captures the-parts-of-the-agreement-dimension-that-aren’t-truth.
I think this is false. Subjective disagreement shouldn’t imply disapproval, capturing subjective-disagreement by disapproval rounds it off to disincentivization of non-conformity, which is a problem. Extracting it into a separate dimension solves this karma-problem.
It is less useful for what you want because it’s contextually-more-ambiguous than the truth-verdict. So I think the meaningful disagreement between me and you/habryka(?) might be in which issue is more important (to spend the second-voting-dimension slot on). I think the large quantity of karma-upvoted/agreement-downvoted comments to this post is some evidence for the importance of the idea I’m professing.
To derive from something I said as a secondary part of another comment, possibly more clearly: I think that extracting “social approval that this post was a good idea and should be promoted” while conflating other forms of “agreement” is a better choice of dimensionality reduction than extracting “objective truth of the statements in this post” while conflating other forms of “approval”. Note that the former makes this change kind of a “reverse extraction” where the karma system was meant to be centered around that one element to begin with and now has some noise removed, while the other elements now have a place to be rather than vanishing. The last part of that may center some disapprovals of the new system, along the lines of “amplifying the rest of it into its own number (rather than leaving it as an ambiguous background presence) introduces more noise than is removed by keeping the social approval axis ‘clean’” (which I don’t believe, but I can partly see why other people might believe).
Of Strange Loop relevance: I am treating most of the above beliefs of mine here as having primarily intersubjective truth value, which is similar in a lot of relevant ways to an objective truth value but only contextually interconvertible.