I predict that people will use the agree/disagree vote a ton, reliably, forever.
I feel zero motivation to use it. I feel zero value gained from it, in its current form. I actually find it a deterrent, e.g. looking at the information coming in on my comment above gave me a noticeable “ok just never comment on LW again” feeling.
(I now fear social punishment for admitting this fact, like people will decide that me having detected such an impulse means I’m some kind of petty or lame or bad or whatever, but eh, it’s true and relevant. I don’t find downvotes motivationally deterring in the same fashion, at all.)
EDIT: this has been true in other instances of looking at these numbers on my other comments in the past; not an isolated incident.
“Okay, so it’s … it’s plus eight, on some karma meaning … something, but negative nine on agreement? What the heck does this even mean, do people think it’s good but wrong, are some people upvoting but others downvoting in a different place—I hate this. I hate everything about this. Just give up and go somewhere where the information is clear and parse-able.”
Like, maybe it would feel better if I could see something that at least confirmed to me how many people voted in both places? So I’m not left with absolutely no idea how to compare the +8 to the −9?
But overall it just hurts/confuses and I’m having to actively fight my own you’d-be-happier-not-being-here feelings, which are very strong in a way that they aren’t in the one-vote system, and wouldn’t be in either my compass rose system or Rob’s heart/X system.
do people think it’s good but wrong [...] I hate this
The parent comment serves as a counterexample to this interpretation: It seems natural to agreement-downvote your comment to indicate that I don’t share this feeling/salient-impression, without meaning to communicate that I believe your feeling-report to be false (about your own impression). And to karma-upvote it to indicate that I care for existence of this feeling to become a known issue and to incentivise corroboration from others (with visibility given by karma-upvoting) who feel similarly (which might in part be communicated with agreement-upvoting).
there is some effortful, System-2 processing that I could do
The important distinction is about existence of System-1 distillation that enables ease, which develops with a bit of exposure, and of the character of that distillation. (Is it ugly/ruinous/not-forming, despite the training data being fine?) Whether a new thing is immediately familiar is much less strategically relevant.
This function has been available, and I’ve encountered it off and on, for months. This isn’t a case of “c’mon, give it a few tries before you judge it.” I’ve had more than a bit of exposure.
If being highly upvoted yet highly disagreed with make you feel deterred and never want to comment again, wouldn’t that also be the case if you see a lot of light orange beside your comments?
Since it seems unlikely you’ll forget your own proposal nor what the colours correspond to.
In fact it may hasten your departure since bright colours are a lot more difficult to ignore than a grey number.
I do not have a model/explanation for why, but no, apparently not. I’ve got pretty decent introspection and very good predicting-future-Duncan’s-responses skill and the light orange does not produce the same demoralization as negative numbers.
Though the negative numbers also produce less demoralization if the prompt is changed in accordance with some suggestions to something like “I could truthfully say this or something close to it from my own beliefs and experience.”
I feel zero motivation to use it. I feel zero value gained from it, in its current form. I actually find it a deterrent, e.g. looking at the information coming in on my comment above gave me a noticeable “ok just never comment on LW again” feeling.
(I now fear social punishment for admitting this fact, like people will decide that me having detected such an impulse means I’m some kind of petty or lame or bad or whatever, but eh, it’s true and relevant. I don’t find downvotes motivationally deterring in the same fashion, at all.)
EDIT: this has been true in other instances of looking at these numbers on my other comments in the past; not an isolated incident.
More detail on the underlying emotion:
“Okay, so it’s … it’s plus eight, on some karma meaning … something, but negative nine on agreement? What the heck does this even mean, do people think it’s good but wrong, are some people upvoting but others downvoting in a different place—I hate this. I hate everything about this. Just give up and go somewhere where the information is clear and parse-able.”
Like, maybe it would feel better if I could see something that at least confirmed to me how many people voted in both places? So I’m not left with absolutely no idea how to compare the +8 to the −9?
But overall it just hurts/confuses and I’m having to actively fight my own you’d-be-happier-not-being-here feelings, which are very strong in a way that they aren’t in the one-vote system, and wouldn’t be in either my compass rose system or Rob’s heart/X system.
The parent comment serves as a counterexample to this interpretation: It seems natural to agreement-downvote your comment to indicate that I don’t share this feeling/salient-impression, without meaning to communicate that I believe your feeling-report to be false (about your own impression). And to karma-upvote it to indicate that I care for existence of this feeling to become a known issue and to incentivise corroboration from others (with visibility given by karma-upvoting) who feel similarly (which might in part be communicated with agreement-upvoting).
I think you’re confusing “this should make sense to you, Duncan” with “therefore this makes sense to you, Duncan”
(or more broadly, “this should make sense to people” with “therefore, it will/will be good.”)
I agree that there is some effortful, System-2 processing that I could do, to draw out the meaning that you have spelled out above.
The important distinction is about existence of System-1 distillation that enables ease, which develops with a bit of exposure, and of the character of that distillation. (Is it ugly/ruinous/not-forming, despite the training data being fine?) Whether a new thing is immediately familiar is much less strategically relevant.
This function has been available, and I’ve encountered it off and on, for months. This isn’t a case of “c’mon, give it a few tries before you judge it.” I’ve had more than a bit of exposure.
If being highly upvoted yet highly disagreed with make you feel deterred and never want to comment again, wouldn’t that also be the case if you see a lot of light orange beside your comments?
Since it seems unlikely you’ll forget your own proposal nor what the colours correspond to.
In fact it may hasten your departure since bright colours are a lot more difficult to ignore than a grey number.
I do not have a model/explanation for why, but no, apparently not. I’ve got pretty decent introspection and very good predicting-future-Duncan’s-responses skill and the light orange does not produce the same demoralization as negative numbers.
Though the negative numbers also produce less demoralization if the prompt is changed in accordance with some suggestions to something like “I could truthfully say this or something close to it from my own beliefs and experience.”