I find it very frustrating that I’ve seen dozens of posts expressing dislike or annoyance at TrikeApps’ work, which I’m pretty sure they provided at no cost by the way, and yet I’ve seen no expressions of thank
I genuinely don’t like the new design, and prefer the old one. Why should I express gratitude if I don’t feel any? From my perspective, they’ve put in all their hard work messing up/taking away something I liked just fine.
I don’t even know what it is that’s supposed to have been “improved”. I don’t notice any convenient new features. Maybe they’re there, but I haven’t come across them. All I notice are visual differences such as icons instead of text (where I strongly preferred text), and various bugs. This just looks to me like one of those periodic aesthetically-motivated “revampings” done by people with different aesthetics from mine who undervalue constancy relative to “change”—like TV shows changing perfectly good theme music for no other reason than they’ve “had it for a while”.
I acknowledge that there were problems before, and that this redesign could have been even worse. But I don’t see the need for a new visual look at all—why not just fix the bugs, and leave the basic appearance alone?
I dislike it enough that I probably won’t be participating much anymore. (Needless to say, the account under which this comment is being posted is not the one I usually post under.)
I dislike it enough that I probably won’t be participating much anymore. (Needless to say, the account under which this comment is being posted is not the one I usually post under.)
In case anyone wonders, I_Disapprove is not me. The changes are not fundamental enough to deter my participation. And if I was quitting then I don’t see why I would care about hiding who I am while doing so. That seems pointless.
Why should I express gratitude if I don’t feel any?
You shouldn’t, but I address why you shouldn’t whine either in my comment. I’m sure LW will let you know if a poll of the peanut gallery is required.
From my perspective, they’ve put in all their hard work messing up/taking away something I liked just fine.
After they gave it to you in the first place. Your position isn’t very sympathetic. I’m sure there are many somewhat costly solutions that would let you view LW with the old interface, all the old code is still hanging around after all. Have at it.
I dislike it enough that I probably won’t be participating much anymore.
If Will is correct and they did the redesign for free, then surely they at least intended to help us? Given this fact, as a general rule, do we want to encourage or discourage such behaviour?
If the behavior is “redesign the aesthetics to be less pleasing, and introduce a bunch of bugs” then I think discourage is probably winning out here...
I personally would prefer to encourage it, since I don’t view it as that bad, but I can see where people are coming from here. Especially since the entire membership is being used for rather unexpected live test. I totally understand that at a certain point you have to just go live and hot-fix from there, but a top-level post saying “site is live, please discuss” or at least a solid reassurance of “we will fix these bugs” would have been very nice.
You shouldn’t, but I address why you shouldn’t whine either in my comment. I’m sure LW will let you know if a poll of the peanut gallery is required.
This is needlessly insulting. And I’ll have you know I haven’t “whined” at all. My only comment was a reply to your comment in which you “whined” about people expressing negative opinions. Well, from what I see, there are mostly positive opinions, and praise, and karma for people who approve. You yourself got upvoted to 15 in the great-grandparent, for example.
My only comment was a reply to your comment in which you “whined” about people expressing negative opinions.
Ah, but you see, my fundamental point is that there’s a big difference. I am trying to disincentive disincentivizing progress. My whining is double-negative virtuous! Om nom nom delicious moral high ground. You’re right that I was needlessly insulting, but there are no incentives to avoid being needlessly insulting. Maybe you should write a top-level comment about the importance of not disincentivizing criticism? Karma is just a weather vane that tests for attributes of strings, it’s not hard to milk it, and I think your agenda is roughly as virtuous as mine. You just need better rhetoric is all I meant to say.
I genuinely don’t like the new design, and prefer the old one. Why should I express gratitude if I don’t feel any? From my perspective, they’ve put in all their hard work messing up/taking away something I liked just fine.
I don’t even know what it is that’s supposed to have been “improved”. I don’t notice any convenient new features. Maybe they’re there, but I haven’t come across them. All I notice are visual differences such as icons instead of text (where I strongly preferred text), and various bugs. This just looks to me like one of those periodic aesthetically-motivated “revampings” done by people with different aesthetics from mine who undervalue constancy relative to “change”—like TV shows changing perfectly good theme music for no other reason than they’ve “had it for a while”.
I acknowledge that there were problems before, and that this redesign could have been even worse. But I don’t see the need for a new visual look at all—why not just fix the bugs, and leave the basic appearance alone?
I dislike it enough that I probably won’t be participating much anymore. (Needless to say, the account under which this comment is being posted is not the one I usually post under.)
Why are so many assuming that we’re not paying any attention to feedback, and that our most recent changes are the last we’ll make?
In case anyone wonders, I_Disapprove is not me. The changes are not fundamental enough to deter my participation. And if I was quitting then I don’t see why I would care about hiding who I am while doing so. That seems pointless.
You shouldn’t, but I address why you shouldn’t whine either in my comment. I’m sure LW will let you know if a poll of the peanut gallery is required.
After they gave it to you in the first place. Your position isn’t very sympathetic. I’m sure there are many somewhat costly solutions that would let you view LW with the old interface, all the old code is still hanging around after all. Have at it.
Oh my God this is so stereotypical.
So thanking is allowed (even encouraged) but “whining” is not. You can’t be serious.
(Also fake account, different person than I_Disapprove)
If Will is correct and they did the redesign for free, then surely they at least intended to help us? Given this fact, as a general rule, do we want to encourage or discourage such behaviour?
If the behavior is “redesign the aesthetics to be less pleasing, and introduce a bunch of bugs” then I think discourage is probably winning out here...
I personally would prefer to encourage it, since I don’t view it as that bad, but I can see where people are coming from here. Especially since the entire membership is being used for rather unexpected live test. I totally understand that at a certain point you have to just go live and hot-fix from there, but a top-level post saying “site is live, please discuss” or at least a solid reassurance of “we will fix these bugs” would have been very nice.
Yes, I am completely serious, and the Thought Police will shoot anyone who disagrees with my mandate.
This is needlessly insulting. And I’ll have you know I haven’t “whined” at all. My only comment was a reply to your comment in which you “whined” about people expressing negative opinions. Well, from what I see, there are mostly positive opinions, and praise, and karma for people who approve. You yourself got upvoted to 15 in the great-grandparent, for example.
Just be glad I told you.
Ah, but you see, my fundamental point is that there’s a big difference. I am trying to disincentive disincentivizing progress. My whining is double-negative virtuous! Om nom nom delicious moral high ground. You’re right that I was needlessly insulting, but there are no incentives to avoid being needlessly insulting. Maybe you should write a top-level comment about the importance of not disincentivizing criticism? Karma is just a weather vane that tests for attributes of strings, it’s not hard to milk it, and I think your agenda is roughly as virtuous as mine. You just need better rhetoric is all I meant to say.
Upvoted for this line.