Dreams have features that make them different than reality. If you for example look at a clock two times in a dream the clock does not behave the way clocks in real life tend to behave. A clock in real life has object permanence and keeps it’s state in a way that a dream clock usually doesn’t.
People who train lucid dreaming have a variety of tests like that for telling the dreaming state apart from the normal reality.
Object permanence where objects are able to exist independent from you looking at them is a key feature of physical reality and a world like the dream world that does not have that clearly is not physical reality.
This is probably the best answer, but I feel like there are still plenty of dreaming states that are not immediately distinguishable from waking states.
In particular Object Permanence is not something we get to test if we restrict ourselves to conscious “moments”, since “I will wait 1 second and see if the object in front of me is still there” would mean you have translated to a different conscious state.
Using lucid dreaming as a counterexample doesn’t seem to affect the argument, since the argument is some dreaming states might also be the waking states, not that all dreaming states are also waking conscious states. I frequently have dreams where I realize “this is a dream”, and I”m not particularly concerned that those are real.
Dreams have features that make them different than reality. If you for example look at a clock two times in a dream the clock does not behave the way clocks in real life tend to behave. A clock in real life has object permanence and keeps it’s state in a way that a dream clock usually doesn’t.
People who train lucid dreaming have a variety of tests like that for telling the dreaming state apart from the normal reality.
Object permanence where objects are able to exist independent from you looking at them is a key feature of physical reality and a world like the dream world that does not have that clearly is not physical reality.
This is probably the best answer, but I feel like there are still plenty of dreaming states that are not immediately distinguishable from waking states.
In particular Object Permanence is not something we get to test if we restrict ourselves to conscious “moments”, since “I will wait 1 second and see if the object in front of me is still there” would mean you have translated to a different conscious state.
Using lucid dreaming as a counterexample doesn’t seem to affect the argument, since the argument is some dreaming states might also be the waking states, not that all dreaming states are also waking conscious states. I frequently have dreams where I realize “this is a dream”, and I”m not particularly concerned that those are real.
How do you define ‘real’, ‘me’, ‘real me’, etc…?
This seems to be stemming from some internal confusion.