I know this isn’t answering your question, but how could this claim possibly make any sense? To slow the country-wide transmission rate substantially with a prophylactic intervention, wouldn’t you have to give it to similarly many people as you give vaccines? And given that India isn’t among the countries with the largest vaccination percentages, it’s unlikely it was able to distribute a potential prophylactic to a substantial percentage of its population. Or did it? And as a treatment post illness – well, that also doesn’t make sense because most people who infect others do so before getting diagnosed by a doctor.
I feel like the people who make this claim about India and ivermectin are confusedly trying to explain something that doesn’t need explaining. Why didn’t the Delta variant overwhelm India completely? Because of the control system. We’ve seen this every time a new variant emerged. Massive spike, then people get scared and the numbers go down. I even noted this in advance. There doesn’t need to be a further explanation. Pinning it on medicine just seems like the typical bad reasoning of people who think they found a miracle cure for everything. (Not saying ivermectin is useless; I actually know absolutely nothing about it and don’t have an opinion. And if it somehow does turn out that ivermectin plausibly contributed to keeping India’s case load measurably lower, then I’ll eat a piece of cardboard, or something.)
I know this isn’t answering your question, but how could this claim possibly make any sense? To slow the country-wide transmission rate substantially with a prophylactic intervention, wouldn’t you have to give it to similarly many people as you give vaccines?
They did give it prophylactically to a lot of people. In Goa they prescribed it to all people over 18. According to Google the COVID-19 case rate peaked in Goa on May 11, 2021 which is a day after the decision to give out ivermectin prophylactically. I would guess that everybody in Goa who has access to COVID-19 testing also has access to ivermectin.
After the state Congress chief of Goa Girish Chodankar tweeted on May 23, 2021 that giving out ivermectin prophylactically is a scam you get a short spike up again in the COVID-19 data. This is an anecdote and not proof, but it’s a good anecdote. People frequently argue that government policy on issue X worked frequently with worse data.
Uttarakhand decided a day later then Goa to give out ivermectin and also had a day after their anouncement their peak according to the Google data.
If you believe the case number to be real and not faked to make ivermectin look good this is a huge coindidence. It’s also a bit odd that the efffect is immediately after the anouncement.
Thanks for explaining, that sounds interesting. I remain skeptical about the numbers, though, because (a) it just seems so odd that a country with 4% vaccination percentage now distributed something useful successfully to enough people to significantly reduce spread, and (b) the timing sounds too coincidental to me, and not very plausible. But there’s maybe a >1% chance that there’s something interesting going on here. :)
I think the vaccination rate is mainly low because of supply issues with the vaccine. On the other hand ivermectin is easier to produce and given that it was used for treatment before that point pharmacies likely had stocked it.
People in remote villages without any access to vaccines or ivermectin likely won’t get COVID-19 test, so I expect them to not be in the offical case count. The case count is likely only counting those that have access to the medical system.
A recent meta analysis found ‘Low-certainty evidence found that ivermectin prophylaxis reduced COVID-19 infection by an average 86% (95% confidence interval 79%–91%).’
If ivermectin did have that effect, it’s plausible that you see immediate effects on the case rate. Currently, we only have that low-certainty evidence from trials and the case studies from India I spoke about above, so I don’t have any certainty that this is what actually happens.
Given that the reduction of 86% through ivermectin would likely be independent of vaccines, common knowledge that ivermectin works might allow us to easily drive SARS-CoV-2 to exstintion if it works.
There were calls in 2018 to investigate repurposing Ivermectin for influenza. The best case scenario would be that it works prophylactically against flu as well and we get rid of flu while we are at it.
There’s a lot of uncertainty here, but there the potential of a lot of value to be gained, so the value of information is very high.
India was way ahead of the game initially. It was government issued last August. As in every single person who got sick got it. Doctor came to your house and then gave it to everyone as a prophylaxis that was in the house in addition to the one that was sick.
The issue is, you won’t hear about this from mainstream media. It is very weird and fascist-like honestly. The censorship is crazy. The discoverer of Ivermectin, Professor Satoshi Omura who won the Nobel Peace prize for Ivermectin—and it was also added to the WHO’s list of essential medicines—he was deleted off of YouTube yesterday and he wasn’t even telling anyone to ingest anything.
Reuters Chair of the Board is also on Pfizer’s Board of Directors. Dr. Scott Gottlieb on MSNBC informing everyone he knows to take the vac, is also on Pfizer’s Board of Directors. I have been told (not yet verified) that in the States every single network has a pharma board member on it except for CBS. I would like to dig on that one.
And the rest of the media and big tech are all in the alliance for one agenda signed onto December 2020---called the “Trusted” News Initiative—Including the BBC, Reuters, a full list of media, Google, Facebook, YouTube and more.
Here is a Twitter thread showing the full list. So none of them will report the truth about early treatment. https://twitter.com/louisaclary/status/1397251241793699847?s=21
One journalist broke from her network and came out with this. She could never do it with the network so she walked. Most truth I have ever seen on Ivermectin and HCQ from a doctor who has done over 1600 interviews for his work on C-19 at his hospital in Houston. His hospitals’ death rate was 6% while the nations’ average was over 20%. This was incredible and it took the last 16 months for it to finally come out: https://t.co/1XHZYrtGHy
I know this isn’t answering your question, but how could this claim possibly make any sense? To slow the country-wide transmission rate substantially with a prophylactic intervention, wouldn’t you have to give it to similarly many people as you give vaccines? And given that India isn’t among the countries with the largest vaccination percentages, it’s unlikely it was able to distribute a potential prophylactic to a substantial percentage of its population. Or did it? And as a treatment post illness – well, that also doesn’t make sense because most people who infect others do so before getting diagnosed by a doctor.
I feel like the people who make this claim about India and ivermectin are confusedly trying to explain something that doesn’t need explaining. Why didn’t the Delta variant overwhelm India completely? Because of the control system. We’ve seen this every time a new variant emerged. Massive spike, then people get scared and the numbers go down. I even noted this in advance. There doesn’t need to be a further explanation. Pinning it on medicine just seems like the typical bad reasoning of people who think they found a miracle cure for everything. (Not saying ivermectin is useless; I actually know absolutely nothing about it and don’t have an opinion. And if it somehow does turn out that ivermectin plausibly contributed to keeping India’s case load measurably lower, then I’ll eat a piece of cardboard, or something.)
They did give it prophylactically to a lot of people. In Goa they prescribed it to all people over 18. According to Google the COVID-19 case rate peaked in Goa on May 11, 2021 which is a day after the decision to give out ivermectin prophylactically. I would guess that everybody in Goa who has access to COVID-19 testing also has access to ivermectin.
After the state Congress chief of Goa Girish Chodankar tweeted on May 23, 2021 that giving out ivermectin prophylactically is a scam you get a short spike up again in the COVID-19 data. This is an anecdote and not proof, but it’s a good anecdote. People frequently argue that government policy on issue X worked frequently with worse data.
Uttarakhand decided a day later then Goa to give out ivermectin and also had a day after their anouncement their peak according to the Google data.
If you believe the case number to be real and not faked to make ivermectin look good this is a huge coindidence. It’s also a bit odd that the efffect is immediately after the anouncement.
Thanks for explaining, that sounds interesting. I remain skeptical about the numbers, though, because (a) it just seems so odd that a country with 4% vaccination percentage now distributed something useful successfully to enough people to significantly reduce spread, and (b) the timing sounds too coincidental to me, and not very plausible. But there’s maybe a >1% chance that there’s something interesting going on here. :)
I think the vaccination rate is mainly low because of supply issues with the vaccine. On the other hand ivermectin is easier to produce and given that it was used for treatment before that point pharmacies likely had stocked it.
People in remote villages without any access to vaccines or ivermectin likely won’t get COVID-19 test, so I expect them to not be in the offical case count. The case count is likely only counting those that have access to the medical system.
A recent meta analysis found ‘Low-certainty evidence found that ivermectin prophylaxis reduced COVID-19 infection by an average 86% (95% confidence interval 79%–91%).’
If ivermectin did have that effect, it’s plausible that you see immediate effects on the case rate. Currently, we only have that low-certainty evidence from trials and the case studies from India I spoke about above, so I don’t have any certainty that this is what actually happens.
Given that the reduction of 86% through ivermectin would likely be independent of vaccines, common knowledge that ivermectin works might allow us to easily drive SARS-CoV-2 to exstintion if it works.
There were calls in 2018 to investigate repurposing Ivermectin for influenza. The best case scenario would be that it works prophylactically against flu as well and we get rid of flu while we are at it.
There’s a lot of uncertainty here, but there the potential of a lot of value to be gained, so the value of information is very high.
India was way ahead of the game initially. It was government issued last August. As in every single person who got sick got it. Doctor came to your house and then gave it to everyone as a prophylaxis that was in the house in addition to the one that was sick.
An Unlikely Nation: https://tinyurl.com/10vrvdr1
Here is how it worked if someone got sick: Visitor to India gets C-19: https://tinyurl.com/35eycjbk
Full timeline of how India won the battle against C-19 and then the second wave hit and why it struggled but now has beat the US in deaths per population as of a few days ago… https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1394980291249385475.html
The issue is, you won’t hear about this from mainstream media. It is very weird and fascist-like honestly. The censorship is crazy. The discoverer of Ivermectin, Professor Satoshi Omura who won the Nobel Peace prize for Ivermectin—and it was also added to the WHO’s list of essential medicines—he was deleted off of YouTube yesterday and he wasn’t even telling anyone to ingest anything.
Reuters Chair of the Board is also on Pfizer’s Board of Directors. Dr. Scott Gottlieb on MSNBC informing everyone he knows to take the vac, is also on Pfizer’s Board of Directors. I have been told (not yet verified) that in the States every single network has a pharma board member on it except for CBS. I would like to dig on that one.
And the rest of the media and big tech are all in the alliance for one agenda signed onto December 2020---called the “Trusted” News Initiative—Including the BBC, Reuters, a full list of media, Google, Facebook, YouTube and more. Here is a Twitter thread showing the full list. So none of them will report the truth about early treatment. https://twitter.com/louisaclary/status/1397251241793699847?s=21
One journalist broke from her network and came out with this. She could never do it with the network so she walked. Most truth I have ever seen on Ivermectin and HCQ from a doctor who has done over 1600 interviews for his work on C-19 at his hospital in Houston. His hospitals’ death rate was 6% while the nations’ average was over 20%. This was incredible and it took the last 16 months for it to finally come out: https://t.co/1XHZYrtGHy