I think a lot more people are vulnerable than consider themselves vulnerable.
I mainly object to “of course”, and the argument I cited here (irrespective of its correctness) doesn’t even try to support it.
I wasn’t making an argument (a series of propositions intended to support a conclusion), I was talking about the subject in passing. These are different modes of communication, and I would have thought it reasonably clear which one was being used.
The “of course” is because it’s a cognitive error: people are sure it could never happen to them. I observe them being really quickly, really certain of that when they hear of someone else falling for cultishness—that’s the “of course”. In some cases this will be true, but it’s far from universally true. I don’t know which particular error or combination of errors it is, but it does seem to be a cognitive error. It is true that I do need to work out which ones it is so that I can talk about it without those people who reply “aha, but you haven’t proven right here it’s every single one, aha” and think they’ve added something useful to discussion of the topic.
I see. So they can sometimes be accidentally correct in expecting that they are not vulnerable, as in fact they will not be vulnerable, but their level of certainty in that fact will almost certainly (“of course”) be off in a systematic predictable way. This interpretation works.
I wasn’t making an argument (a series of propositions intended to support a conclusion), I was talking about the subject in passing. These are different modes of communication, and I would have thought it reasonably clear which one was being used.
I think of the “talking about the subject in passing” mode as “making errors, because it’s easier that way”, which looks to me as a good argument for making errors, but they are still errors.
I wasn’t making an argument (a series of propositions intended to support a conclusion), I was talking about the subject in passing. These are different modes of communication, and I would have thought it reasonably clear which one was being used.
The “of course” is because it’s a cognitive error: people are sure it could never happen to them. I observe them being really quickly, really certain of that when they hear of someone else falling for cultishness—that’s the “of course”. In some cases this will be true, but it’s far from universally true. I don’t know which particular error or combination of errors it is, but it does seem to be a cognitive error. It is true that I do need to work out which ones it is so that I can talk about it without those people who reply “aha, but you haven’t proven right here it’s every single one, aha” and think they’ve added something useful to discussion of the topic.
I see. So they can sometimes be accidentally correct in expecting that they are not vulnerable, as in fact they will not be vulnerable, but their level of certainty in that fact will almost certainly (“of course”) be off in a systematic predictable way. This interpretation works.
I think of the “talking about the subject in passing” mode as “making errors, because it’s easier that way”, which looks to me as a good argument for making errors, but they are still errors.