I guess a key question is, where does the notion of property ownership derive from? If we just take it for granted that sovereign nation-states exist and want to enforce it well enough (including preventing A from defrauding B, in a sufficiently value-aligned sense which we can’t currently define), then I suppose your logic looks plausible.
To some extent this is just going to derive from inertia, but in order to keep up with AI criminals, I imagine law enforcement will depend on AI too. So “property rights” at the very least requires solving the alignment problem for law enforcement’s AIs.
If people are still economically competitive, then this is not an existential risk because the AI would want to hire or enslave us to perform work, thereby allowing us to survive without property.
And if people are still economically competitive, law enforcement would probably be much less difficult? Like I’m not an expert, but it seems to me that to some extent democracy derives from the fact that countries have to recruit their own citizens for defense and law enforcement. Idk, that kind of mixes together ability in adversarial contexts with ability in cooperative contexts, in a way that is maybe suboptimal.
At least the way I think of it is that if you are an independent wellspring of value, you aren’t relying on inertia or external supporters in order to survive. This seems like a more-fundamental thing that our economic system is built on top of.
I agree with you that “economically competetive” under some assumptions would imply that AI doesn’t kill us, but indeed my whole point is that “economic competetiveness” and “concerns about unemployment” are only loosely related.
I think long-term economic competetiveness with a runaway self-improving AI is extremely unlikely. I have no idea whether that will cause unemployment before it results in everyone dying for reasons that don’t have much to do with unemployment.
I guess a key question is, where does the notion of property ownership derive from? If we just take it for granted that sovereign nation-states exist and want to enforce it well enough (including preventing A from defrauding B, in a sufficiently value-aligned sense which we can’t currently define), then I suppose your logic looks plausible.
To some extent this is just going to derive from inertia, but in order to keep up with AI criminals, I imagine law enforcement will depend on AI too. So “property rights” at the very least requires solving the alignment problem for law enforcement’s AIs.
If people are still economically competitive, then this is not an existential risk because the AI would want to hire or enslave us to perform work, thereby allowing us to survive without property.
And if people are still economically competitive, law enforcement would probably be much less difficult? Like I’m not an expert, but it seems to me that to some extent democracy derives from the fact that countries have to recruit their own citizens for defense and law enforcement. Idk, that kind of mixes together ability in adversarial contexts with ability in cooperative contexts, in a way that is maybe suboptimal.
At least the way I think of it is that if you are an independent wellspring of value, you aren’t relying on inertia or external supporters in order to survive. This seems like a more-fundamental thing that our economic system is built on top of.
I agree with you that “economically competetive” under some assumptions would imply that AI doesn’t kill us, but indeed my whole point is that “economic competetiveness” and “concerns about unemployment” are only loosely related.
I think long-term economic competetiveness with a runaway self-improving AI is extremely unlikely. I have no idea whether that will cause unemployment before it results in everyone dying for reasons that don’t have much to do with unemployment.